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Hmm..this from the man who thinks we are actually talking about Gwen Stefani....
Still no response to my question. You are the people shelling out money for books and coaching. If someone claimed I would never be rejected again or I could have anyone that I want with a few simple tricks, I would be kinda annoyed if I spent my money on a scam.
You've gotten multiple responses to your question. The thing is the responses are logical and go against your theories. Until someone agrees with you, you won't acknowledge the response.
It would be interesting to revisit some of these self-identified PUAs at 30, 35, 40 to see where they are at with some of these ideas. (Grad thesis idea for a sociologist, perhaps? Longitudinal study about trends in male mating approaches. But I digress.)
Some of the people on this thread seem slightly more together and reasonable about getting help with confidence and approaching women (CaptJack, here's looking at you). There is nothing wrong with that. Others-- yikes! There seems to be a pattern forming that will only lead to dissapointment and self-loathing covered up by over confidence, cologne and lots of bizarre, affected props. Not good.
Women like real. That, (I think) was the OP's point. I second that. And I am also sad that men feel such pressure to perform and live up to some idea of what a "man" is, does, looks like, has on his arm.
It would be interesting to revisit some of these self-identified PUAs at 30, 35, 40 to see where they are at with some of these ideas. (Grad thesis idea for a sociologist, perhaps? Longitudinal study about trends in male mating approaches. But I digress.)
Some of the people on this thread seem slightly more together and reasonable about getting help with confidence and approaching women (CaptJack, here's looking at you). There is nothing wrong with that. Others-- yikes! There seems to be a pattern forming that will only lead to dissapointment and self-loathing covered up by over confidence, cologne and lots of bizarre, affected props. Not good.
Women like real. That, (I think) was the OP's point. I second that. And I am also sad that men feel such pressure to perform and live up to some idea of what a "man" is, does, looks like, has on his arm.
Probably settled down with a good looking nice lady and enjoying life.
I don't think there's been one person in this thread who is agreeing with the stereotyped PUA. The only people who bring it up are the ones who are completely against the idea of it, and the ones who are ignorant to it.
Some of the people on this thread seem slightly more together and reasonable aboutgetting help with confidence and approaching women (CaptJack, here's looking at you). There is nothing wrong with that. Others-- yikes! There seems to be a pattern forming that will only lead to dissapointment and self-loathing covered up by over confidence, cologne and lots of bizarre, affected props. Not good.
What I'm seeing is that the stuff that's common-sense, like getting help with confidence and approaching women, isn't specific to PUA. The stuff that is specific to PUA, like the s**t test, or negging, or peacocking, is pretty stupid.
It would be interesting to revisit some of these self-identified PUAs at 30, 35, 40 to see where they are at with some of these ideas. (Grad thesis idea for a sociologist, perhaps? Longitudinal study about trends in male mating approaches. But I digress.)
Some of the people on this thread seem slightly more together and reasonable about getting help with confidence and approaching women (CaptJack, here's looking at you). There is nothing wrong with that. Others-- yikes! There seems to be a pattern forming that will only lead to dissapointment and self-loathing covered up by over confidence, cologne and lots of bizarre, affected props. Not good.
Women like real. That, (I think) was the OP's point. I second that. And I am also sad that men feel such pressure to perform and live up to some idea of what a "man" is, does, looks like, has on his arm.
I agree.
Women like men that are put together, but most of us aren't born that way.
I don't think the OP has a point. He's all over the place.
What I'm seeing is that the stuff that's common-sense, like getting help with confidence and approaching women, isn't specific to PUA. The stuff that is specific to PUA, like the s**t test, or negging, or peacocking, is pretty stupid.
It's scary how obsessed everyone is with negging lol.
It's seriously just banter. Just a stupid name for it.
It's scary how obsessed everyone is with negging lol.
It's seriously just banter.
Because that's exactly what people think of when they hear "PUA". They don't think," oh, what a great way for guys to gain confidence." They think, "that's the thing with the negging and the weirdo with the goggles, right?" If PUA is actually so great, maybe y'all need better PR.
What I'm seeing is that the stuff that's common-sense, like getting help with confidence and approaching women, isn't specific to PUA. The stuff that is specific to PUA, like the s**t test, or negging, or peacocking, is pretty stupid.
That's the point fleet, you don't know enough to categorize what is specific to PUA.
When you approach 2 girls, you can't just speak to the one you want to flirt with, you need to engage both of them, or else the other girl will get bored, and you won't have a chance with the girl you want. Is this common sense? Yes, to me it is. But I guarantee you 99.9% of guys would only speak to the girl he is interested in and completely ignore the other one. In fact I saw my friend who is a natural do that the other day.
Most of these gentlemen need to understand the basic, fundamental common-sense stuff, before they can learn more advanced styles of game. And yes, confidence and approaching women is a part of PUA, regardless of whether it's in self-help books or not.
Because that's exactly what people think of when they hear "PUA". They don't think," oh, what a great way for guys to gain confidence." They think, "that's the thing with the negging and the weirdo with the goggles, right?" If PUA is actually so great, maybe y'all need better PR.
I think they should drop the term PUA altogether.
Use the term "dating coach", or "social coach." That way you just seem like a version of toastmasters or enunciation classes, just more specific to dating.
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