The End of Courtship? (movies, marriage, man, family)
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Wouldn't the hook up culture benefit these women so they don't get tied down and interrupt their studies? I'm not a fan of it, but it's not just the hot girls that have jumped ship on being courted.
True. But not all college women are into the hookup culture. People who buy into the idea that they are, are to some extent falling for media hype. There have always been a wide variety of personalities, interests, and maturity rates among college students (including men). Some aren't into sex at all in the early years of college, because their testosterone hasn't come online yet (speaking of women and men). There's a college professor who posts here from time to time who says she has grad students in their mid-20's (male and female) who are still virgins. Life is not a series of cliches, people. Humans are very diverse. Maybe some of you aren't finding the woman you want because you've bought into a stereotype? idk, but there are a lot of great 20-something women out there. Probably their radars screen for angry, bitter types and players, though, just saying.
Why I would feel like a fool? Because other guys were banging her without "getting to know her", asking for a date or paying 1 cent for coffee etc.. The ways of the liberated women make old fashioned butt sniffing quite foolish if not ridiculous.
I see guys write things like this, but I can say honestly that I don't know any women who go around banging a million guys she barely knows and cheating on people - even when I was young, this did not even come close to describing the vast majority of girls I knew. I think you're just fishing in a toxic pool if this is the kind of girls you're meeting, choose a better one.
I see guys write things like this, but I can say honestly that I don't know any women who go around banging a million guys she barely knows and cheating on people - even when I was young, this did not even come close to describing the vast majority of girls I knew. I think you're just fishing in a toxic pool if this is the kind of girls you're meeting, choose a better one.
Why would you know that information anyway? If you do know a female and she is doing those things don't you think she would want to keep that information private to avoid looking like easy? And some woman would find it hard to not have sex with a sexy guy if he doesn't have any connections to her family or friends which would make her act impossible to find out.
Wow this is a depressing thread! As the father to a three-year old girl, I'm hoping that I can set a good example of what she should expect when she starts dating.
I think it's actually less pressure. I see people dating who both wait for the other to call because they're not even sure anymore who should call who, and people who "hang out" hoping it means romantic interest on the others' part but never being sure - in the old days it was much more clear cut and easier to know what the rules are, who was really interested, etc.
And that's why traditional dating comes with more pressure, there are these so-called rules to follow. How the hell can you enjoy someone else's company when you are to busy following rules. Ultimately this article seems like another platform for young men to be blame for everything bad that's happening in society.
I see guys write things like this, but I can say honestly that I don't know any women who go around banging a million guys she barely knows and cheating on people - even when I was young, this did not even come close to describing the vast majority of girls I knew. I think you're just fishing in a toxic pool if this is the kind of girls you're meeting, choose a better one.
I don't think anyone is talking about "that" girl.
Nope, no pressure. Being a gentleman does not take a lot of effort.
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
So, most modern guys have wussed out?
From what I read here it appears so. "I can't even put in minimal effort to make another human being feel worthwhile, interesting and valuable."
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Originally Posted by Ro2113
And that's why traditional dating comes with more pressure, there are these so-called rules to follow. How the hell can you enjoy someone else's company when you are to busy following rules. Ultimately this article seems like another platform for young men to be blame for everything bad that's happening in society.
Why in the world would you think it's takes away from enjoyment to follow the rules of polite society? How does having good manners, grace, and dignity detract from enjoyment? Most people find it adds to enjoyment.
From what I read here it appears so. "I can't even put in minimal effort to make another human being feel worthwhile, interesting and valuable."
But shouldn't I expect the same in return? Traditional dating seems to dictate that it's only the man's job to do this.
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Why in the world would you think it's takes away from enjoyment to follow the rules of polite society? How does having good manners, grace, and dignity detract from enjoyment? Most people find it adds to enjoyment.
You can have good manners, grace and dignity while hanging out as well. Dating seems to operate on a special set of rules.
And that's why traditional dating comes with more pressure, there are these so-called rules to follow. How the hell can you enjoy someone else's company when you are to busy following rules. Ultimately this article seems like another platform for young men to be blame for everything bad that's happening in society.
Exactly. Partly why I find traditional dating to be sexist
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Originally Posted by rhacer
Nope, no pressure. Being a gentleman does not take a lot of effort.
From what I read here it appears so. "I can't even put in minimal effort to make another human being feel worthwhile, interesting and valuable."
Why in the world would you think it's takes away from enjoyment to follow the rules of polite society? How does having good manners, grace, and dignity detract from enjoyment? Most people find it adds to enjoyment.
Good manners, grace, and dignity are all good personal characteristics to have in any society...I think these "rules" he's referring to are gender expectations and things like "how many dates to should I do this and that" or "don't call him/her in x amount of hours/minutes/days," etc.
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