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I hear ya. And I wasn't implying you were annoying or anything, my story was unrelated to your post. But I felt the need to acknowledge your post, as I absolutely understand where you were coming from.
I added the story to show that some women can and will do things as a sexual advance, and they have no repercussions. Women have many more available methods of seduction available to them then men. If they do so choose to. Some women would never grab a mans junk. Some women wouldnt grab a man's butt. I have had both occur to me. And on more than one occasion. If a woman does such things, it isn't a big deal. If a man grabs a butt or especially grabs a woman below the belt when it isn't reciprocated, it is a really big deal.
It's a big deal only because they make it a big deal.
Funny how hardly anyone will acknowledge how some women will just bend over for Rock Stars or Tiger Woods without worrying about STDs, whether they orgasm or not, pregnancy, or their safety, while making normal men court her for months on end.
Funny how hardly anyone will acknowledge how some women will just bend over for Rock Stars or Tiger Woods without worrying about STDs, whether they orgasm or not, pregnancy, or their safety, while making normal men court her for months on end.
Eh, what about men who fantasize of celebrities but will dump normal women as soon as things get a bit hard?
I hear ya. And I wasn't implying you were annoying or anything, my story was unrelated to your post. But I felt the need to acknowledge your post, as I absolutely understand where you were coming from.
I added the story to show that some women can and will do things as a sexual advance, and they have no repercussions. Women have many more available methods of seduction available to them then men. If they do so choose to. Some women would never grab a mans junk. Some women wouldnt grab a man's butt. I have had both occur to me. And on more than one occasion. If a woman does such things, it isn't a big deal. If a man grabs a butt or especially grabs a woman below the belt when it isn't reciprocated, it is a really big deal.
Thanks, man...I gotcha now! I'm kind of giggling over it...ok...so...
You're right about that though...it doesn't really translate if it's reversed. I don't really like how litigious our world is today...I also don't like how some people think they are entitled to do whatever they like. I'd like to see more balance but I'm sure I'm not the one to figure out how that takes place.
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Annoying friend had drinks, got horny, and grabbed my junk in the car on the way home. I wanted no part of that, and I told her as nicely as I could, "this isnt happening".
After annoying friend exited car, my old friend said, "wow, I'm impressed, most guys hook up with her. They don't really care about her personality or looks."
So, if annoying, and somewhat not attractive woman can reach between a guys legs and hook up most of the time, then I believe it is easier for all women across the board to have sex if they want it.
If a guy reaches between a womans legs and gives a rub, he gets slapped or goes to jail.
It really is that simple.
The "annoying girl" was determined and outgoing. Her actions might have been crass, foolish and utterly indecent, but they were aggressive.
The key idea, I think, is that aggressive people - regardless of gender or looks - are going to disproportionately get their way in social situations. If the "annoying girl" were passive and just waited around in the hope that guys would hit on her, well, they wouldn't; and she would not be enjoying sexual relations.
But as others have said, there is however a gender asymmetry in this sense: outrageous behavior among women is less grossly punished than similar behavior by men. A woman behaving in the above example might be socially censured, but she would not be risking criminal conviction, whereas a man would.
The "annoying girl" was determined and outgoing. Her actions might have been crass, foolish and utterly indecent, but they were aggressive.
The key idea, I think, is that aggressive people - regardless of gender or looks - are going to disproportionately get their way in social situations. If the "annoying girl" were passive and just waited around in the hope that guys would hit on her, well, they wouldn't; and she would not be enjoying sexual relations.
But as others have said, there is however a gender asymmetry in this sense: outrageous behavior among women is less grossly punished than similar behavior by men. A woman behaving in the above example might be socially censured, but she would not be risking criminal conviction, whereas a man would.
And if a man were to press charges, he would be laughed out of the courtroom by the judge, the prosecutors, the jury, and the press.
Funny how hardly anyone will acknowledge how some women will just bend over for Rock Stars or Tiger Woods without worrying about STDs, whether they orgasm or not, pregnancy, or their safety, while making normal men court her for months on end.
So? Are you saying you wouldn't be more likely to do anything a gorgeous model wanted than you would for some random frumpy normal woman? I didn't realize you were somehow exempt from normal human behavior.
Funny how hardly anyone will acknowledge how some women will just bend over for Rock Stars or Tiger Woods without worrying about STDs, whether they orgasm or not, pregnancy, or their safety, while making normal men court her for months on end.
Dude, SOME women are like that...while SOME men have their issues. Why do you insist on saying no one acknowledges these things...we've all seen groupies...you just seem so dead set on making all women seem like a bunch of no-good floozies. Get over it.
You said it's just as easy for men to get undesirable women to have sex as it is for women to get undesirable men to have sex, right?
It all comes down to standards then.
...Plus, if anyone was willing to have sex with someone undesirable, then they are not undesirable in the first place, right? At least on the physical level.
Actually, I said it is just as easy for women to get sex from men they don't desire for whatever reason including, she doesn't trust him, she doesn't want to ruin her reputation, she isn't satisfied by hit-and-run sex, she isn't in the mood or she isn't attracted to him. Men can get sex just as easy from women they don't desire for whatever reason.
And I do not agree with your last statement. Most men can perform sexually and be satisfied without being attracted to the woman in question. It is the basis of countless misogynistic jokes and derogatory expressions.
So? Are you saying you wouldn't be more likely to do anything a gorgeous model wanted than you would for some random frumpy normal woman?
Nope. I just do my own thing.
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Originally Posted by nearnorth
I didn't realize you were somehow exempt from normal human behavior.
I am.
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