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Old 06-19-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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Like it or not, most men want to be with very attractive women. Very attractive women are used to beta male upon beta male doing whatever they say. It's just the way of the world. If you don't play her little game, you've already separated yourself from the 15 guys that just offered to hold her coat and buy her a drink
So most men want to be with very attractive women who expect to jerk them around? No wonder so many guys come here to complain.


 
Old 06-19-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Again, the problem likely lies in actually calling social skills (manners, etc) "game".

"Game" seems to imply the playing of one which has a negative connotation when associated with adult relationships.
It could also imply the negative image that guys regard interacting with gals as some game where he wins/loses and the gal is the prize. Though guys regarding it as such is understandable to me as it seems guys regard gals as commodities and see them as 'others' completely foreign to them that guys need some special language/skills to talk to.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:20 PM
 
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"Never works." You must have a very limited social cirlce.

As I said, that is an underhanded part of game, but women almost universally respond to jealousy. To deny that is to deny the female condition.
Oh please.

I think you are overanalyzing here. Some might respond to jealousy inducing games...some will walk away. And if there was absolutely no chemistry with the guy playing the games it will just seem contrived and have no effect.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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So most men want to be with very attractive women who expect to jerk them around? No wonder so many guys come here to complain.

In my experience, very attractive women want a strong (emotionally) man that won't let her jerk him around. She will jerk around weak little beta herbs that are just glad to be in her presence, but a strong man will keep her in her place.

How do you come that "strong" man? Either that is just you naturally, or you learn "game."
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Oh please.

I think you are overanalyzing here. Some might respond to jealousy inducing games...some will walk away. And if there was absolutely no chemistry with the guy playing the games it will just seem contrived and have no effect.
You don't have to play games to induce jealousy.

And yeah you're right, with no chemsitry, aka not caring about the other person at all, it would be near impossible to make her jealous.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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The problem is with the terminology. “Game” connotes something glib, manipulative, degrading to the recipient, and a kind of inside-joke between its practitioners. “Game” would be something that used car salesmen or payday loan-stores use to bamboozle the gullible or to exploit the desperate. And in the context of dating, men would gather post-date amongst themselves, regaling each other with ribald anecdotes of how they “scored” using “game”.

Where the OP is entirely correct is in the observation that many men are reasonable candidates in principle, but lack the wherewithal to market themselves or to convey tactfully and convincingly the goodness of their qualities. None of us has perfect personalities; all have flaws. For some men (and women!) these flaws are immediately obvious, whereas the better aspects of their natures require more attention to observe. In a world dependent on first-impressions, the deft emphasis of one’s personality’s better features becomes an almost essential ploy. It’s not a lie or a manipulation, but it is a “tactic” in the same sense that using proper lighting and neutral backdrop is a tactic for photographing a flattering portrait. “Game”, therefore, would be a response to today’s market-driven, ADHD culture where snap judgments determine which employee gets hired, which business gets the contract, and sadly, which guy gets the girl.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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In my experience, very attractive women want a strong (emotionally) man that won't let her jerk him around. She will jerk around weak little beta herbs that are just glad to be in her presence, but a strong man will keep her in her place.

How do you come that "strong" man? Either that is just you naturally, or you learn "game."
Hmm...and the obtaining of an emotionally strong man vs. obtaining an a beta herb all happens in a bar typically where the game advocates men should find women.

I have nothing against going to bars, but the notion that it would be a proving ground for emotional strength seems a little silly. Especially if the so called demonstration of emotional strength is just based on a recommendation from another guy.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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You don't have to play games to induce jealousy.

And yeah you're right, with no chemsitry, aka not caring about the other person at all, it would be near impossible to make her jealous.
But the PUA community is trying to sell a different reality to these guys, imo.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:28 PM
 
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Men who internalize "game" that are already attractive or socially strong can really see the results of their interactions.
You don't say.

Somebody pinch me.

In other news, Generalissimo Franco is still dead.
 
Old 06-19-2013, 01:29 PM
 
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Where the OP is entirely correct is in the observation that many men are reasonable candidates in principle, but lack the wherewithal to market themselves or to convey tactfully and convincingly the goodness of their qualities. None of us has perfect personalities; all have flaws. For some men (and women!) these flaws are immediately obvious, whereas the better aspects of their natures require more attention to observe. In a world dependent on first-impressions, the deft emphasis of one’s personality’s better features becomes an almost essential ploy. It’s not a lie or a manipulation, but it is a “tactic” in the same sense that using proper lighting and neutral backdrop is a tactic for photographing a flattering portrait. “Game”, therefore, would be a response to today’s market-driven, ADHD culture where snap judgments determine which employee gets hired, which business gets the contract, and sadly, which guy gets the girl.
Right on the button.
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