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u r seeing women as objects. when u begin to see them as people all will change. start out small first learn to love plants and cats and then work your way up. stop lusting and obsessing, its skunk juice to women and cats.
I have several perceptions of reality that are starting to affect my day-to-day life, I'm not sure how these started or how I got here. My question is more "Are these accurate, or a figment of my imagination?"
read the bold and find out.
I'm 23 if it makes a difference...
it does, if you were 40, it'd be based on observation, if you were 14 it'd be based on internet anecdotes and TV
I assume that most single woman deemed attractive by society has at least 1 ongoing sexual relationship going on at a time, possibly in secret.
if she desires one, yes. if not then no.
sort of like the girls in school who didn't want BFs and didn't have them and the girls who did and did
After college graduation, I assume that most people have had sexual relationships with at least 12 to 20 people (through high school and college).
prudes don't, losers don't, those who were extraordinarily busy or poor don't
Whenever I approach someone or am approached, I assume that she has at least 1 sexual relationship going on.
is she an adult? is she reasonably attractive? is she a prude? if the answers are yes yes and no, then probably
I assume that at least 35% of people have been in a threesome, and a similar amount of people in a gangbang/orgy.
not even close, as a general rule if you don't find anyone particularly judgement impaired or slutty and aren't particularly awesome don't hold your breath about ever doing these things
exceptions would be if you knew somewhere where people showed up to gangbang and hook up in groups
I assume that women talk with each other about the size of their men's penises, and yes, that it matters (in the sense that if your penis is less than 5.5 inches, you can expect everyone to secretly know and possibly avoid sexual encounters with you, opposite effect if you are larger than 6.5 inches).
they'll probably talk yeah, they're not going to announce it to the world though.
unless you're trying to bang her friends don't worry about it
I assume that some women in an exclusive relationship are in it for convenience, as in they know that their relationship won't last forever but would rather be in one than be single and hooking up due to societal stigma.
.....basically.
but you're kidding yourself if you think any of your relationships will last forever(at best one will, but it's possible to die single)
More women have cheated in long distance relationships than are willing to admit. I don't mean just physically, but also eyeball and tease men who could be a fallback option locally if the long distance relationship doesn't work out. I have slept with two women who were in long distance relationships, and the ironic thing is that they were the ones who initiated physical contact. A third woman I've been with who "was" in a long distance relationship was upset with me because I didn't try to have sex with her when I took her out to lunch to discuss politics and activism when she was in the long distance relationship.
LDR's are for idiots and don't really count as real relationships, the ones who don't cheat haven't been in a LDR for very long(or are perfectly willing to break up first)
If a woman is attracted to you, and makes a move on you and you reject her, later on she will refuse that she ever had feelings for you if asked or if you want to friendzone her she will avoid you.
some will, some won't. my friend rejected a girl who liked him and she seemed to have taken it well(they still talk and are friends)
Most women who had initial attraction for you, will brush you off if you spend too much time hanging out with her without making a move. I DO believe that there is a short window of opportunity to seduce a woman.
basically, but the window depends on the woman
if she likes you, then there is no waiting too long unless she loses interest(might be a day might be a year, might be several years)
Likewise, if you spend a lot of time being "logical" with a woman and tell her how good she is and how beautiful and unique she is before making a move, you are out.
if you do that, you'll be deep in the friendzone, if you do that after making the move you'll probably lose value in her eyes
It is never a good idea to communicate deep feelings or write long passionate letters to a woman before you have slept with her, it is okay after you have slept with her.
yes to the former, only if she does the same to/for you first to the latter.
this ain't a movie, don't confess your undying love first nor after a first or third date, for why please see the episode of the big bang theory where Leonard and penny break up permanently(in the recent seasons they're back together though), it was the episode with bowling and will wheaton
If you are sleeping with a woman and she is attached to you, you can get away with a lot more in terms of making her angry or upset compared to some smuck vying for her attention who she isn't seeing.
OF COURSE! that should go without saying.
Conforming to society's expectations is generally a good idea, being too unique or different can weird her out, unless you have already been intimate with her.
being different for the sake of being different is stupid
be different in a good way or conform
Likewise, trying to win over a woman by being logical as opposed to appealing to her emotional side can end in disaster. absolutely true
Most women have a conception of "THIS ONE GUY!" that they would immediately drop everything for if he came into existence and asked her out.
most men do too.
from the first half I thought you'd be full of crazy thoughts and expectations, but most of the latter is right on the money.
I assume that most single woman deemed attractive by society has at least 1 ongoing sexual relationship going on at a time, possibly in secret.
False.
After college graduation, I assume that most people have had sexual relationships with at least 12 to 20 people (through high school and college).
False. Average numbers are in single digits, and that's for a lifetime.
Whenever I approach someone or am approached, I assume that she has at least 1 sexual relationship going on.
Because....? You have sex on the brain? Let me guess....you have a porn habit?
I assume that at least 35% of people have been in a threesome, and a similar amount of people in a gangbang/orgy.
I assume that women talk with each other about the size of their men's penises, and yes, that it matters (in the sense that if your penis is less than 5.5 inches, you can expect everyone to secretly know and possibly avoid sexual encounters with you, opposite effect if you are larger than 6.5 inches).
Okay.... a porn habit it is. And maybe too many reruns of Sex & The City.
I assume that some women in an exclusive relationship are in it for convenience, as in they know that their relationship won't last forever but would rather be in one than be single and hooking up due to societal stigma.
No... most will choose single & not hooking up. Women are not as controlled sexually by social stigma as men seem to think. It's often a personal, perhaps even moral, preference to not be sexually active if not in a relationship, not just social shaming.
If a woman is attracted to you, and makes a move on you and you reject her, later on she will refuse that she ever had feelings for you if asked or if you want to friendzone her she will avoid you.
So women get their egos bruised when rejected romantically & sexually also. What a shock!
Most women who had initial attraction for you, will brush you off if you spend too much time hanging out with her without making a move. I DO believe that there is a short window of opportunity to seduce a woman.
They don't brush you off with some time limit in mind as if it's an enforced rule or magically attraction expires at midnight. They assume you are not into them & move on for their own emotional well-being. Most healthy people do this, rather than pine & hope against hope & miss out on other people who are actually available to you.
Likewise, if you spend a lot of time being "logical" with a woman and tell her how good she is and how beautiful and unique she is before making a move, you are out.
PUA myths. You're only "out" if you do this out of selfish neediness, not out of genuine giving without trying to manipulate someone into an obligation to "give back".
It is never a good idea to communicate deep feelings or write long passionate letters to a woman before you have slept with her, it is okay after you have slept with her.
This is not about sex...but a relationship. Doing this too soon is like a woman showing up on your porch in a wedding gown when you're not even engaged. It appears obsessive. The reason sex may seem like the right time is because it emotionally tends to signal exclusivity & a deeper level in the relationship (even if it really is not). But this can come before sex if emotional connection & a committed relationship come before it also.
If you are sleeping with a woman and she is attached to you, you can get away with a lot more in terms of making her angry or upset compared to some smuck vying for her attention who she isn't seeing.
If you want to be an unethical, cruel cad, then sure. Sex tends to make people get attached & they want to maintain the connection. You can take advantage of that, but it will likely come back to bite you in the butt eventually. It's not how you build a mutually satisfying, happy relationship.
Conforming to society's expectations is generally a good idea, being too unique or different can weird her out, unless you have already been intimate with her.
Most people, men included, are rather average with mainstream tastes, so being that way will open the majority to you. However, not everyone prefers that & it's a matter of finding someone you are compatible with, not just anyone.
Likewise, trying to win over a woman by being logical as opposed to appealing to her emotional side can end in disaster.
This is not true. It's a matter of applying logic to matters existing outside what logic is capable of handling - that can look rude, mean, dismissive, obtuse, etc. Learning when to apply logic and when to be empathetic is important. Much exists outside the realm of logic that still has a "rhyme & reason" to it, and writing it off as pure emotion is your own blindspot, not a weakness in others.
Most women have a conception of "THIS ONE GUY!" that they would immediately drop everything for if he came into existence and asked her out.
I would not drop everything for anyone... unless it's GOD. While women may have ideals, so do men, and anyone with some healthy self-respect will have standards & expectations that would never include dropping everything for someone else they've just met.
Every woman is a uniquely complex individual with perspectives, experiences, intellect, opinions and values entirely her own. No two are at all alike.
Trying to round them up into a statistical collective based on their actions makes it appear that you are not able to respect each of them as singular human beings.
no they're not, no one is.
people who think they don't conform to most statistics are kidding themselves
those who legitimately don't are statistical outliers
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If you honestly believe all of these things you have issues. It may be true for some, but do NOT assume it to be true for ALL.
That's the exact same as racial profiling. Is it ok to understand a certain type of person may be more statistically apt to do something? Sure. But STILL give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
This post makes it clear that you probably have issues regarding women. Either problems understanding them, meeting them, trusting them, etc.
Your view point as a whole is not healthy and the fact you would even type those things on a public forum is rather scary. It almost reminds me of views that hardcore muslims seem to have regarding women.
why do you automatically assume he acts on these beliefs?
did he say that he does? do you know to what extent?
did he say that he assumes that no girl respects long term relationships AND THEREFOR he tries to bed them?
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u r seeing women as objects. when u begin to see them as people all will change. start out small first learn to love plants and cats and then work your way up. stop lusting and obsessing, its skunk juice to women and cats.
don't troll him bro
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Because....? You have sex on the brain? Let me guess....you have a porn habit?
adults tend to have sex
news at 11
PUA myths. You're only "out" if you do this out of selfish neediness, not out of genuine giving without trying to manipulate someone into an obligation to "give back".
not really, it's like....
bradley cooper could do it and still get laid, but can you imagine bradley cooper(or charlie sheen or anyone good with women) actually doing that?
can you imagine some fat ugly nerdy loser doing it?
that's more likely the reason why it wouldn't work, the people who are actually going to talk about how amazingly great she is all the time, aren't the kinds of people she'd want to date.
Most people, men included, are rather average with mainstream tastes, so being that way will open the majority to you. However, not everyone prefers that & it's a matter of finding someone you are compatible with, not just anyone.
you would be surprised to find out how many people are different for the sake of being different, as if being different itself is what's better instead of the difference making the.... difference.
This is not true. It's a matter of applying logic to matters existing outside what logic is capable of handling - that can look rude, mean, dismissive, obtuse, etc. Learning when to apply logic and when to be empathetic is important. Much exists outside the realm of logic that still has a "rhyme & reason" to it, and writing it off as pure emotion is your own blindspot, not a weakness in others.
attraction isn't logical, if it was then nice guys would finish first and no woman would fall for a player's games because she wouldn't find obvious signs of being an A-hole so hot.
I would not drop everything for anyone... unless it's GOD. While women may have ideals, so do men, and anyone with some healthy self-respect will have standards & expectations that would never include dropping everything for someone else they've just met.
I think he meant if your dream girl fell out of the sky and wanted to f*** your brains out
your words in bold, responses in normal
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OP, is mostly right on the money. Those arent unhealthy perceptions, those are perceptions based on your real life observations. I hate to tell you OP, but its uphill from here. If you have even an ounce of intellectual curiousity, you will arrive at these conclusions, and many more, much more dark and sinister. Buckle up.
OP, is mostly right on the money. Those arent unhealthy perceptions, those are perceptions based on your real life observations. I hate to tell you OP, but its uphill from here. If you have even an ounce of intellectual curiousity, you will arrive at these conclusions, and many more, much more dark and sinister. Buckle up.
Leap in logic here. Adults having sex does not mean all women at any given moment have a current sex partner...
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not really, it's like....
bradley cooper could do it and still get laid, but can you imagine bradley cooper(or charlie sheen or anyone good with women) actually doing that?
can you imagine some fat ugly nerdy loser doing it?
that's more likely the reason why it wouldn't work, the people who are actually going to talk about how amazingly great she is all the time, aren't the kinds of people she'd want to date.
I have dated men who were generous with compliments, none of whom were amazingly handsome & certainly not rich (or whatever people use to measure attractiveness in men). The idea is to come across as if you have a lot to give & are being generous with it, not that you need a lot & are giving merely in hopes of getting in return. The latter is how many so-called "nice guys" appear, and it looks emotionally manipulative & dependent, not kind.
I once had a male friend who was fat at times (eating disorder caused him to yo-yo), certainly nerdy (but I'm a fan of book smarts), and probably a loser (talented photog who made no money). He gave me the most original, enthusiastic compliments, and I was charmed enough to develop a crush. I lost interest when he started acting like a jerk. But when he was kind and free with compliments, he seemed more confident than when he was being a monkey butt.
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you would be surprised to find out how many people are different for the sake of being different, as if being different itself is what's better instead of the difference making the.... difference.
Bodes well for the OP then. He's concerned being "different" is a problem.
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This is not true. It's a matter of applying logic to matters existing outside what logic is capable of handling - that can look rude, mean, dismissive, obtuse, etc. Learning when to apply logic and when to be empathetic is important. Much exists outside the realm of logic that still has a "rhyme & reason" to it, and writing it off as pure emotion is your own blindspot, not a weakness in others.
attraction isn't logical, if it was then nice guys would finish first and no woman would fall for a player's games because she wouldn't find obvious signs of being an A-hole so hot.
"Players" & "a-holes" often come across as charming at first. They don't pull the crap until they've hooked someone. Women who go for that probably have their own emotional issues anyway. There is little out there besides distorted perspectives of embittered men which says most women go for such men anyway.
You are actually agreeing with me anyway; relationships cannot be made sense of with impersonal logic. Time to learn the rhyme & reason of human workings, which involves emotions. This is not as bleak as you think it is, because it does not mean most people irrationally choose partners who are bad for them all the time. It can help you grasp why people end up with jerks & losers without coming to the erroneous conclusion they WANT to be treated bad.
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I think he meant if your dream girl fell out of the sky and wanted to f*** your brains out
No... as I think I said in this thread or elsewhere, many women AND men would not compromise their principles for casual sex with a hot stranger. I certainly might go on a date with one though.
No one is hotter than my moral integrity. That's a hotter fire within me, a stronger drive than my libido.
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