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In that case women are objectified as much as ever. There are still women in beer commercial, Hooters girls, pretty but incompetent waitresses...it's not all one-sided, too...many women TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS, so I get sick of women always thinking it's the man's fault for this happening...that's what I'm talking about.
Women say 'we don't wanna be objectified', but they flaunt their sexuality and USE it for their own purposes. Not ALL (obviously) but a lot. And pop culture and society promote this, 'you can use your sex appeal to get to the top,' 'if you've got it flaunt it' attitude. Now do you get it?
Perhaps this is an example of turning objectification into empowerment.
Some women would not participate in these activities you feel are self objectification based on their principals. Some women "take advantage" or use it for their own profit. And some women just don't care one way or another.
There will always be objectification to an extent.
I still remember going to get my hair cut at one of those chain places where they have sports on the TV and stuff. The young lady who cut my hair was very pretty.... but the third time she rubbed her breasts into the back of my head as she was trying to "squeeze" between me and the counter behind her told me she was giving more than a hair cut. And, really, I just wanted a hair cut.
I find it funny how few people see the obvious connection between sexual liberation (viewed as a good thing) and the increased sexual objectification of women (viewed as a bad thing). Now i know women have always been objectified, but today there's such an emphasis on 'being sexy', you have 10 year old girls trying to be sexy. Do some people, including feminists, want their want to have their cake and eat it to (i know stupid saying)? I mean if you wanna express your sexuality, fine, nothing against that, just don't act all prudish when men admire your assets, is all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's an invitation to rape, but you have to admit it promotes more lewd/animalistic behaviour, because thats our nature. Just look at music videos and porn being so mainstream...I'm not sure if I want to be a parent in this era...
It' is ironic. I read an article the other day about how female Harvard MBA students willingly dress like playboy bunnies at their annual parties. A few of them object but most like it.
Women aren't a hive mind, though. The women who want to be taken seriously and don't want to be objectified aren't the same women who are in bikinis pointing at cars at the car show.
Exactly.
OP you are clearly confused over who is flaunting and using their sexuality. I don't see Drs, lawyers, police women, nurses and the multitude of other professional women flaunting anything except their ability to be independent and smart.
Models, actresses, dancers and bimbos flaunt their bodies and use them.
Controlling one's desires is not acting inappropriately on them. I don't see anything wrong with desire or lust. We all have them, even women for attractive men. One can have these feelings without objectifying the object of our desires.
I do not believe women are seen any more as sex objects today than they were seen as sex objects throughout history. Even under all the clothing and sexual suppression/oppression men were still lusting after what lay beneath. I like to believe today women are seen as not only sexual objects, mothers, wives and daughters but as leaders, thinkers, inventers, fighters and equals. The media as well as real life also portray woman as strong individuals despite their sexuality.
Well it's just more explicit today. I think capitalism was actually one of the big drivers, as well as a return to more lax sexual morals. I'm not preaching we go back to the Victorian age, and that we can go back to strict monogamy and no sex outside marriage, it's just I still see a ton of women who base their value on sex appeal/being sexy.etc. Even some intelligent, educated women. Many women strip or even have sex with men to 'pay their way through college', you've got graphic porn strewn all over the internet where women are reduced to a pair of breasts and private parts. And a generation of teenagers growing up thinking this is normal. It's pretty animalistic. And you think women are indeed LESS SEXUALLY objectified now?
Yes, things have improved a lot for women in those areas, but women are still unduly judged on their looks, perhaps no less than in the past. There was talk of that about our former PM, the first female PM, about how the rag mags (often other women) focused more on her fashion sense than her policies. Girls still obsess about looks.etc more than having hobbies or interests or doing things.
Women aren't a hive mind, though. The women who want to be taken seriously and don't want to be objectified aren't the same women who are in bikinis pointing at cars at the car show.
Perhaps you aren't familiar with my generation. The overlap is quite surprising, actually...
Perhaps this is an example of turning objectification into empowerment.
Some women would not participate in these activities you feel are self objectification based on their principals. Some women "take advantage" or use it for their own profit. And some women just don't care one way or another.
There will always be objectification to an extent.
So you approve of objectification if it empowers women?
Yet you only condemn it when you feel it 'demeans' women?
So basically, it's good when it benefits women, bad when it doesn't. So it ain't intrinsically bad, only when women can't get anything out of it. Gotcha.
Some may not, but the prevailing pop culture encourages women to. More and more women see doing porn as another 'career choice.'
It' is ironic. I read an article the other day about how female Harvard MBA students willingly dress like playboy bunnies at their annual parties. A few of them object but most like it.
Women aren't a hive mind, though. The women who want to be taken seriously and don't want to be objectified aren't the same women who are in bikinis pointing at cars at the car show.
Yes, this.
I'm a woman and I don't think I have any business judging another woman who wants to flaunt their body. If she knows what she's doing and is OK with the way others view her then she can go for it. I, personally, don't wish to show off my body unless I'm at the beach. I work very hard in my office career so I can make it to the top one day, since I want to be taken seriously that means I can't go around in skimpy clothing so I dress modestly.
OP you are clearly confused over who is flaunting and using their sexuality. I don't see Drs, lawyers, police women, nurses and the multitude of other professional women flaunting anything except their ability to be independent and smart.
Models, actresses, dancers and bimbos flaunt their bodies and use them.
Different kettles of fish altogether.
Do you know many teenage girls? I wasn't referring to lawyers, policewomen.etc, what do they have to do with this discussion anyway? I'm talking about the prevalence of the objectification of women in mainstream popular culture/society. Where did I say every single woman was doing this?
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