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Old 10-17-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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Researcher Roy F. Baumeister mentions in his work that while 80 percent of women have historically managed to reproduce, only 40 percent of men have.

With ancestral humans, there was rampant polygany, with the top men dominating the fertile years of multiple women, and a significant portion of men facing natural and insurmountable celibacy. Women went along with this arrangement because it meant getting the best genes for their children. Even an ugly woman would much rather share a man above her with other women rather than settling for low status man. Men would have to undertake dangerous activities to overcome their lowly sexual status -- banding together and invading neighboring tribes and stealing their women, challenging alpha males in their group, etc...all of which results in male deaths, while the women continue to sit around getting impregnated by the winners.

This arrangement went on for tens of thousands of years, heck, millions of years, considering all the creatures that preceded homo sapien sapien..

Several thousand years ago though some elite men realized that they could make their societies more stable, and the men of those societies more willing to fight for that society rather than against it, if every man was guaranteed a mate. Thus, monogamy as a cultural norm was instituted with the idea of it benefiting the average man who would otherwise lose out to the top men who get multiple wives. Monogamy was a socialist divvying up of the good of female sexuality among the male population.

Societies which practiced monogamy became more stable, as men's energies were directed in other avenues beyond worrying about mating. The men weren't as eager to fight against their own societies. Perhaps this is one reason why Western culture came to dominate the world: Monogamy allowed its men to work together rather than against each other.

The West however decided to rock the boat with the Sexual Revolution. Since then, divorce has become more common. Marriage is delayed. Single motherhood is widespread and socially accepted. **** shaming is frowned upon. Obviously, these things are incompatible with a strict monogamous culture.

The consequence is that monogamous marriage no longer functions as a socialist divvying of female sexuality. Society, in some manners, has returned to the law of the jungle, in which, once again, top men dominate the fertile years of multiple women.

For, consider the case of one 35 year old man today marrying a 28 year old woman he has known for five months. But prior to that marriage, in fact, going back to his years as a high school sophomore, he's never been without a girlfriend around his age for more than a few months. Whether the number of girlfriend's he's had is two or 15, it's clear that he's consuming more than one woman's prime years. The consequence is that other men lose out.

Thus, the amount of sex had by the average man has remained the same since the Sexual Revolution, but the variance has increased.

Videogames and pornography have the cultural function of pacifying the male sexual loser population.

 
Old 10-17-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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Several thousand years ago though some elite men realized that they could make their societies more stable, and the men of those societies more willing to fight for that society rather than against it, if every man was guaranteed a mate.
I must have missed this day in history class.
 
Old 10-17-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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Human sexuality is fascinating. Not sure I agree with everything in the OP, but it's an interesting take.
 
Old 10-17-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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Researcher Roy F. Baumeister mentions in his work that while 80 percent of women have historically managed to reproduce, only 40 percent of men have.

With ancestral humans, there was rampant polygany, with the top men dominating the fertile years of multiple women, and a significant portion of men facing natural and insurmountable celibacy. Women went along with this arrangement because it meant getting the best genes for their children. Even an ugly woman would much rather share a man above her with other women rather than settling for low status man. Men would have to undertake dangerous activities to overcome their lowly sexual status -- banding together and invading neighboring tribes and stealing their women, challenging alpha males in their group, etc...all of which results in male deaths, while the women continue to sit around getting impregnated by the winners.

This arrangement went on for tens of thousands of years, heck, millions of years, considering all the creatures that preceded homo sapien sapien..

Several thousand years ago though some elite men realized that they could make their societies more stable, and the men of those societies more willing to fight for that society rather than against it, if every man was guaranteed a mate. Thus, monogamy as a cultural norm was instituted with the idea of it benefiting the average man who would otherwise lose out to the top men who get multiple wives. Monogamy was a socialist divvying up of the good of female sexuality among the male population.

Societies which practiced monogamy became more stable, as men's energies were directed in other avenues beyond worrying about mating. The men weren't as eager to fight against their own societies. Perhaps this is one reason why Western culture came to dominate the world: Monogamy allowed its men to work together rather than against each other.

The West however decided to rock the boat with the Sexual Revolution. Since then, divorce has become more common. Marriage is delayed. Single motherhood is widespread and socially accepted. **** shaming is frowned upon. Obviously, these things are incompatible with a strict monogamous culture.

The consequence is that monogamous marriage no longer functions as a socialist divvying of female sexuality. Society, in some manners, has returned to the law of the jungle, in which, once again, top men dominate the fertile years of multiple women.

For, consider the case of one 35 year old man today marrying a 28 year old woman he has known for five months. But prior to that marriage, in fact, going back to his years as a high school sophomore, he's never been without a girlfriend around his age for more than a few months. Whether the number of girlfriend's he's had is two or 15, it's clear that he's consuming more than one woman's prime years. The consequence is that other men lose out.

Thus, the amount of sex had by the average man has remained the same since the Sexual Revolution, but the variance has increased.

Videogames and pornography have the cultural function of pacifying the male sexual loser population.
so you're saying to invest in sexbots?
 
Old 10-17-2013, 11:37 AM
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All of this assumes the end game is the act of sexual intercourse, the presence of which defines "winners" and "losers." But a lot of people are deeper than that. Winning is not limited to having a partner or multiple partners. And one can still be a "loser" even if he or she has had a partner.
 
Old 10-17-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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"Society, in some manners, has returned to the law of the jungle, in which, once again,
top men dominate the fertile years of multiple women."

Couldn't agree more, Ive stated this over and over again. I think a big part of the reasoning for this phenomena can be accredited to the fact that most women are willing to share a top man, while men are rarely if ever willing to share a woman. During womens' most fertile years, young women routinely seek out bad boy/alpha type of guy while completely ignoring beta and omega providers. 10-20% of top guys, have more women available to them then they could possibly ever handle, while the remaining 80-90% of single guys, go home alone. Some cannot find a date or get laid for years or even decades, and its not for the lack of trying. Interesting topic, I like it when material contains a good amount of truth and facts, despite being less than politically correct. Many women past their prime, marry a beta provider, yet still seek out the top alpha guy for reproduction purposes, especially when they ovulate. This is one of the reasons I believe that each birth certificate should be accompanied by DNA testing. The amount of Beta husbands who are unknowingly raising some losers devil spawn is astounding.

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Old 10-17-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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Interesting, OP. However, there are plenty of flaws in your ideas, along with some nuggets of truth. I strongly suggest you read "Sex at Dawn" and see if that changes your thinking.

Monogamy is a result of property ownership, and developed as a concept along with agriculture. In pre-agricultural tribal bands, it is far more likely that a promiscuous mating model existed, and there are very distinct biological changes that evolved in this environment that are still part of every human's biology.

If anything, the sexual and cultural revolutions of the past 50 years or so may indicate reversion back to our fundamental mating behavior. Of course, this will takes decades to work out in our technological culture so that it is accepted and works well for most people. The lower marriage rate, increased cheating rate, the hookup culture, high percentage of unwed single mothers could all be chaotic indicators of this change.
 
Old 10-17-2013, 12:21 PM
 
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I read "Sex at Dawn." I got the impression that the authors (a couple) were invested in swinging.

In any case, however they rationalize the emergence of monogomy, it is the case that "a reversion back to our fundemental mating behavior" may mean: A significant portion of men losing out. Once again, consider the figure: 80% of women who ever lived managed to reproduce while only 40% of men have.
 
Old 10-17-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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In any case, however they rationalize the emergence of monogomy, it is the case that "a reversion back to our fundemental mating behavior" may mean: A significant portion of men losing out. Once again, consider the figure: 80% of women who ever lived managed to reproduce while only 40% of men have.

Is this a bad thing? I mean, if these numbers are correct, do you see it as a negative?
 
Old 10-17-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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Interesting, though a little all over the place.

Overall, I would say we are not as highly evolved and non-sexually oriented as we would like to think.
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