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Old 11-07-2013, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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I also think the main board for "Relationships" helps to prove my point.

Why so many men asking: How do I get a woman? What do women like? How do I get her back? What should I do? What is attractive to women? Why can't I get a woman? Why am I in the friend zone? How do I get out of the friend zone? Did I mess up? Do I have a chance with her???? etc.

YET there are so FEW threads by women asking similar questions. They exist.. but are much more rare. A very clear and obvious imbalance. Clear as day.

I repeat: CLEAR AS DAY.
You mean - men complain to strangers on the internet more than women do?

 
Old 11-07-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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I also think the main board for "Relationships" helps to prove my point.

Why so many men asking: How do I get a woman? What do women like? How do I get her back? What should I do? What is attractive to women? Why can't I get a woman? Why am I in the friend zone? How do I get out of the friend zone? Did I mess up? Do I have a chance with her???? etc.

YET there are so FEW threads by women asking similar questions. They exist.. but are much more rare. A very clear and obvious imbalance. Clear as day.

I repeat: CLEAR AS DAY.
There's daylight where you live?

Deciding anything is "clear and an obvious imbalance" based on the extremes you see on this forum would actually be a big mistake
 
Old 11-07-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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Don't get me wrong. I totally agree that there are many men that have no idea on how to read a crowd. They just jump in hoping that all will fall into place then have to make a quick exit. And many never learn the first time around.
I'm not saying there are no relationships where a woman is dominant. It's just not as common as the OP makes it out to be. I disagree that his dysfunctional relationships (or his peers) are not representative of what is "common".
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:45 PM
 
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I'm not saying there are no relationships where a woman is dominant.

It's just not as common as the OP makes it out to be.

I disagree that his dysfunctional relationships (or his peers) are representative of what is "common"
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I think this is exactly what most of us have been saying - thanks for summing it up
 
Old 11-07-2013, 07:45 PM
 
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Its clear as day what's going on and its VERY common. Most people who deny it are either men who are in one of these relationships but have too much pride and ego to admit it.. or women who are benefiting from this state of affairs.
Collateral:

It's klassikal Konditioning. I apologize in advance for cherry picking your words, but I only want to address the point quoted. Whether man or woman, people in society will say whatever they've been trained to say. Since the break up of the nuclear family and the assault on masculinity because we're all misogynists, the gynocrates have nearly every man cowering in fear and many women demanding more rights, freedoms, and the like.

I would honestly love to see a level playing field in work, the house, and the law. It would be refreshing. If you don't think women have been over empowered, just go to the local bar and watch 20 something men drivel as they vie for the affections of a woman 10 - 20 years their senor. Pick up the paper and read about divorce settlements. Most men have been turned into emasculated gimps.

That's how I see it, but I haven't watched anything in the media since the late 1970s, so I've not been propagandized to parrot whatever they're selling now.

Cheers and thanks for reading,
bolillo

Last edited by bolillo_loco; 11-07-2013 at 07:48 PM.. Reason: No Rhodes scholar here.
 
Old 11-07-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Its funny how you get crickets when you state facts.. such as how men do most of the work.

Its clear as day what's going on and its VERY common. Most people who deny it are either men who are in one of these relationships but have too much pride and ego to admit it.. or women who are benefiting from this state of affairs.

People who don't want to see it simply don't WANT to see it. Willful ignorance as they call it.

Its no coincidence that the vast majority of women I've dated AND women my friends date try to control the relationship.. either directly or indirectly. Using sex as leverage is common practice. Sex is the big trump card for most men and when a woman withholds it.. the man "falls in line".

The ONLY reason this has never worked on me is because I will simply sleep with another woman. Its not that I'm domineering.. I just have a very low BS tolerance and won't have my needs held hostage.

The way I see it, all adult women know how to act polite, respectful and reasonable. They do it at work for their employers and they do it in the early stages of their relationships to hook the man. So if I'm aware that you know how to act and are choosing instead to be rude, nasty, petty and dramatic... I take it as disrespect/control/abuse and show you the door like there's no tomorrow.

Unfortunately I've had to do this often and it makes me wonder since most of the relationships that seem to "work" are those with passive men. Especially marriages.
Agreed. I dated a chick who tried to do that with me and learned the hard way(no pun intended) that I can withhold sex too...by threatening her that I will give it to someone else or using whatever hand is free at the time.
 
Old 11-07-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mikala43 View Post
I'm not saying there are no relationships where a woman is dominant.

It's just not as common as the OP makes it out to be.

I disagree that his dysfunctional relationships (or his peers) are representative of what is "common".

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I think this is exactly what most of us have been saying - thanks for summing it up
Not as common? Sounds like denial to me. The proof is in the evidence of the sky high divorce rate, low marriage rate, men seeking more mistresses and foreign brides become more popular that western brides each day. Look no further than the hordes of websites and mens groups about MGTOW. The guys who continue to live being whipped by the wife eventually wise up or die off.

Marriage is the furthest thing from 50-50 in todays world. It really should be 100-100 from both sides but more often these days I see more men pulling and carrying her weight on top of his without getting anything back. I will strongly admit that I'm scared to even think of waiting at the isle for the supposed love of my life because equality doesn't exist in marriage these days. Equal partnership is pretty much dead.
 
Old 11-07-2013, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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It makes sense what the OP writes. Men are expected to ask the lady out, plan the date, pay for the date and most of the following dates. If they get to bed, he better be good and have at least an average size "package." He will not be considered for marriage unless he makes about what she earns or more. He is expected to buy a nice ring and get on one knee to request her hand. When it comes to having children, she is free to decide if she will work or stay home, he is not although he could just as well do it as she could.
If any of this has been true in your dating experience, you're doing it wrong.
 
Old 11-07-2013, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. Area
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You mean - men complain to strangers on the internet more than women do?
Wait are you actually admitting men and women don't always act exactly the same?

I'm in shock.
 
Old 11-07-2013, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. Area
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There's daylight where you live?

Deciding anything is "clear and an obvious imbalance" based on the extremes you see on this forum would actually be a big mistake
Show me where I said my entire thread was based on extremes I see online.

Where did I first mention the "Relationships" board? I seems it was about 19 pages into the thread. Hmm...
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