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I heartily disagree that marriages were historically based on love. Women were obligated to marry and did so out of duty. She might like or love the fellow, but maybe not. Few people traveled, so choices were limited to the people in one's immediate vicinity. Not starving to death was priority #1; it's very easy to underestimate that motive now that we live in such a luxurious, plentiful time. The female role was to get out of the house so there was one fewer mouth to feed. Perhaps marriage was arranged, perhaps not, perhaps they liked one another, perhaps not so much over time. Ever read The Prince and the Pauper? Tom Canty's drunken father beat the stuffing out of his mother on a daily basis. It was very, very common.
Marriage for love is a recent phenomenon and frequently blamed as a big reason that divorce rates are so high.
Yep! We have the luxury(or Curse perhaps) of marrying for Love.
But since I wasn't discussing arranged marriages, but rather the fact that a person without rights would find themselves forced to seek someone, anyone, to marry just to survive, I don't know why you're still discussing arranged marriages.
First you said you were discussing forced marriages then you stated you were actually addressing arranged marriages. Which it is? Or are you just being argumentative for the sake of it?
First you said you were discussing forced marriages then you stated you were actually addressing arranged marriages. Which it is? Or are you just being argumentative for the sake of it?
Oh for chrissakes. I said women found themselves FORCED TO marry because of their lack of rights and a way to survive. That doesn't mean women were put into an arranged marriage.
I heartily disagree that marriages were historically based on love. Women were obligated to marry and did so out of duty. She might like or love the fellow, but maybe not. Few people traveled, so choices were limited to the people in one's immediate vicinity. Not starving to death was priority #1; it's very easy to underestimate that motive now that we live in such a luxurious, plentiful time. The female role was to get out of the house so there was one fewer mouth to feed. Perhaps marriage was arranged, perhaps not, perhaps they liked one another, perhaps not so much over time. Ever read The Prince and the Pauper? Tom Canty's drunken father beat the stuffing out of his mother on a daily basis. It was very, very common.
Marriage for love is a recent phenomenon and frequently blamed as a big reason that divorce rates are so high.
I have read plenty of classical literature, historical tomes, and even my own familial history reaching backwards from the present to the 1600s and further to almost the middle ages. Your supposition that ALL marriages were based on necessity is wholly and historically incorrect.
Oh for chrissakes. I said women found themselves FORCED TO marry because of their lack of rights and a way to survive. That doesn't mean women were put into an arranged marriage.
So because I responded to what you wrote verbatim, now I am an idiot? I have had enough of your nonsensical bullsh-t.
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I have read plenty of classical literature, historical tomes, and even my own familial history reaching backwards from the present to the 1600s and further to almost the middle ages. Your supposition that ALL marriages were based on necessity is wholly and historically incorrect.
I did not see the word "all" in JJ's post. Must have missed it.
I have read plenty of classical literature, historical tomes, and even my own familial history reaching backwards from the present to the 1600s and further to almost the middle ages. Your supposition that ALL marriages were based on necessity is wholly and historically incorrect.
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