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Originally Posted by M3Guy
Please, educate me then(I'm not being a smart*** either).
I want to better understand this.
Also please educate me on masculinity.
This isn't something that is doable on a forum like this. Really, at least a semester long gender and society course is needed to delve into the history, progression, philosophies and critical writings on the issues.
I'm rather surprised such courses, along with a world religions and a race and society course are not required for a bachelors degree (along with statistics, honestly). It's a failing of our system.
Please, educate me then(I'm not being a smart*** either).
I want to better understand this.
Also please educate me on masculinity.
Second, and third, wave feminism is about a woman's right to take matters into their own hands. Their right to experience pleasure. Their right to experience relationships on their own terms. It goes beyond equality.
A lot of men are threatened by this, because it means that if they can't, or are unwilling, to do it they'll find someone else that will, even if that means someone else is a woman. You don't have to hold the door open for them, because its patronizing. They don't throw like a girl. They like science, they'll beat you at video games, etc.
Men that used to slip through the cracks back in the eighties are now being taken to task. A woman no longer has to settle for a man whose only virtue is that he is the breadwinner. Now you have to appease woman's emotional needs, and f& her better than everyone else and be her best friend, and love her, at the same time. Be in touch with your feminine side without being a sissy. You have to multitask.
Second, and third, wave feminism is about a woman's right to take matters into their own hands. Their right to experience pleasure. Their right to experience relationships on their own terms. It goes beyond equality.
A lot of men are threatened by this, because it means that if they can't, or are unwilling, to do it they'll find someone else that will, even if that means someone else is a woman. You don't have to hold the door open for them, because its patronizing. They don't throw like a girl. They like science, they'll beat you at video games, etc.
Men that used to slip through the cracks back in the eighties are now being taken to task. A woman no longer has to settle for a man whose only virtue is that he is the breadwinner. Now you have to appease woman's emotional needs, and f& her better than everyone else and be her best friend, and love her, at the same time. Be in touch with your feminine side without being a sissy. You have to multitask.
Thanks for explaining that. Now I know what feminism is.
I don't understand the bolded part so I will do more research on that. I guess that's another learned behavior that I need to obtain to possibly get a GF.
Oh and BTW, this just answered the OP's original question.
Thanks for explaining that. Now I know what feminism is.
I don't understand the bolded part so I will do more research on that. I guess that's another learned behavior that I need to obtain to possibly get a GF.
Oh and BTW, this just answered the OP's original question.
What I am trying to convey is that you have to be everything to a woman. It was better when women were socialized. These days careers and academia has isolated women, and they have a more difficult time establishing meaningful relationships, not just with men, but with other women. Older women feel like they got theirs, and now you can get yours. They aren't mentoring younger women anyone. At the same time, younger women feel like they know everything, because they're earning more than their mothers and grandmothers did, or could.
Some men are naturally sensitive. I was in an abusive relationship with my father, and he died when I was an adolescent, so my mother raised me. My father didn't speak to me, but he beat me to prevent me from getting out of line. So my nature is emotional. But that is only half the battle. I have to know how to be close, but still execute executive decisions like a man, when dealing with my wife. I have to know how to be supportive without crossing the line when dealing with other women. If you aren't there for a woman's feelings you're an a&hole, but if you are too strong perhaps you're desperate. When I was a kid you could mind your own d&mn business and just talk to girls you were interested in. If you wanted a girl you had to make a serious effort. You rarely had any problems. These days, it is entirely different. You have to be conscious of your actions in ways you did not have to back then.
It is good in that all men should have some interaction with the opposite sex but it is bad because things are easily misconstrued. Women want to know that you want them, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they actually want you. And if you can't communicate that you know the difference you're an inconsiderate a&hole. It took me the better part of 15 years to figure that out.
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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What I am trying to convey is that you have to be everything to a woman. It was better when women were socialized. These days careers and academia has isolated women, and they have a more difficult time establishing meaningful relationships, not just with men, but with other women. Older women feel like they got theirs, and now you can get yours. They aren't mentoring younger women anyone. At the same time, younger women feel like they know everything, because they're earning more than their mothers and grandmothers did, or could.
It is not about being online
Were socialized?
You want to bring back finishing schools or something?
I'm not sure what men or women are doing at college other than studying and socializing.
What I am trying to convey is that you have to be everything to a woman. It was better when women were socialized. These days careers and academia has isolated women, and they have a more difficult time establishing meaningful relationships, not just with men, but with other women. Older women feel like they got theirs, and now you can get yours. They aren't mentoring younger women anyone. At the same time, younger women feel like they know everything, because they're earning more than their mothers and grandmothers did, or could.
It is not about being online
Ok I see what you're saying now. Women are more distant now than ever. I personally feel like it would be a full time job to meet a woman's EVERY need. If a guy can do that, he does not have a life of his own.I already have a full time job, and I have alot of other obligations also. Having a GF or wife would be awesome, but not if it requires 100% of my time, attention, and me. No one should have to do that to have a SO, man or woman.... So that's why I feel less men(millenials anyway) care for engaging.
You want to bring back finishing schools or something?
I'm not sure what men or women are doing at college other than studying and socializing.
Not really. Alot of women in college now have very unwelcoming faces they put on to repell men from speaking to them. Because aparently, women cant even walk 5 feet out of their house without men cat calling and asking for her number. There's a name for it but I won't say it here.
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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Not really. Alot of women in college now have very unwelcoming faces they put on to repell men from speaking to them. Because aparently, women cant even walk 5 feet out of their house without men cat calling and asking for her number. There's a name for it but I won't say it here.
Funny. I worked at Universities in admin for about 7 years and never noticed any such thing. I certainly didn't in my undergrad or grad education years.
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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I'm not talking about etiquette, lol.
What are you talking about then?
Women are in school longer and more, and working more, which is where a large chunk of socializing takes place. They're also staying single until later so they're out with friends, out meeting people, having things like dinner parties and wine tastings, etc. All social things, at greater rates than the woman that went from high school or even undergrad right into marriage in bygone eras.
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