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Only cultures so backwards they can't discuss things culturally and progress are third worlds. So ya it certainly would give an answer (if it was deleted).
It was a problem. Women simply put up with it, because they didn't know they could change it. The DSK affair caused women all over France to rethink their status in the workplace, and several women stepped forward in the aftermath, to accuse DSK of coercing them into sex in years past. French women have begun demanding respect in the workplace as a result.
Thank you, R4T. I hadn't realised that.
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Only cultures so backwards they can't discuss things culturally and progress are third worlds. So ya it certainly would give an answer (if it was deleted).
As an outsider looking in on America it does strike me that there seems to be a hell of a lot of lonely people (which is universal and to be expected) but simultaneously there is also an almost insurmountable level of pickiness and double standard.
Here in Australia we have the Ashley Madison commercial about men "looking for someone other than their wife" and yet we are led to believe that Americans are traditional marital bible bashers.
We also have men that claim that their low incomes prevent them from finding a decent piece of ass but many of these men are looking for women that look like Victoria Secret models and won't settle for anything less.
Apparently, American men have no reservations about consuming massive amounts of porn but yet, any woman that partakes in porn or even displays an overt love of sex is of low moral character.
There are women that demand high-earning husbands but will get upset if they find themselves home alone most of the time with nothing left to do except make ridiculously high online purchases.
Contradictions aplenty. There seems to be a disconnect between what we want as humans and what we want others to see of us.
Yes, in France, men and women can take a lover but all they are doing is splitting in two, their love nature eg; love at night and lust by day. It's no better and it still breeds resentment but at least people can find solace amongst their kind. American culture is probably not immature but 'pick and choose morality' seems to be something that really needs discussing.
Women seem to do battle with the realities they face and yet many men seem to look to the bible if and when it suits them.
Women seem to do battle with the realities they face and yet many men seem to look to the bible if and when it suits them.
This is one thing I've noticed. Women tend to play by the rules of the jungle / reality while men make a huge system of morals. So that limits men and also confuses them because they think women are also playing by those morals.
However that could have been because the french were culturally advanced enough that sexual harassment wasn't really a problem in the first place. I would actually see the need to make a law about the issue one step down from not needing the law in the first place.
The dude tried to rape the daughter of one of his party colleagues. The daughter got into a fist fight with him so it didn't happen. When she told her mother about this, her mother didn't want her daughter to press sexual assault charges because her daughter wasn't raped (only because she fought well enough to make the pervert leave her alone). So clearly this isn't a matter of cultural advancement. Oh, and the same pervert raped a maid in the US.
It's good that he got busted in the US, that's what triggered the women in France to come forward about his behavior.
As an outsider looking in on America it does strike me that there seems to be a hell of a lot of lonely people (which is universal and to be expected) but simultaneously there is also an almost insurmountable level of pickiness and double standard.
Here in Australia we have the Ashley Madison commercial about men "looking for someone other than their wife" and yet we are led to believe that Americans are traditional marital bible bashers.
We also have men that claim that their low incomes prevent them from finding a decent piece of ass but many of these men are looking for women that look like Victoria Secret models and won't settle for anything less.
Apparently, American men have no reservations about consuming massive amounts of porn but yet, any woman that partakes in porn or even displays an overt love of sex is of low moral character.
There are women that demand high-earning husbands but will get upset if they find themselves home alone most of the time with nothing left to do except make ridiculously high online purchases.
Contradictions aplenty. There seems to be a disconnect between what we want as humans and what we want others to see of us.
Yes, in France, men and women can take a lover but all they are doing is splitting in two, their love nature eg; love at night and lust by day. It's no better and it still breeds resentment but at least people can find solace amongst their kind. American culture is probably not immature but 'pick and choose morality' seems to be something that really needs discussing.
Women seem to do battle with the realities they face and yet many men seem to look to the bible if and when it suits them.
It seems like you watch crappy tv sitcoms and decide all of America is based on crappy tv shows that usually take place in two American cities, Los Angeles and New York. How can you be so sure this represents the whole of the United States?
This is one thing I've noticed. Women tend to play by the rules of the jungle / reality while men make a huge system of morals. So that limits men and also confuses them because they think women are also playing by those morals.
This is it right here. Best post in the thread and exactly what happens, in my experience.
When you spend 50 years, shaming masculinity and femininity, and emasculate the men in your society, this is the mess you end up with. There is a mass of lonely people, because the only relationship they can hope for is an asexual one.
Uh, you may not know this, but feminism didn't happen only in the US. In fact, one could argue that countries like Australia, for example, have better embraced and integrated some of the changes that feminism brought (Australia's last prime minister was a woman).
(BTW, real feminism has nothing at all to do with emasculating men or shaming anyone. But I don't want to derail the thread...)
However, I think the topic of your thread is a valid one, OP. I don't know if the state of our relationships as a society are better or worse than elsewhere. But it does seem that we're in a state of uncertainty in terms of what our roles are, and this appears to have affected 2 or 3 generations now.
I think that if it seems like we're more anxious about relationships than are people in other countries, it's only because, quite frankly, Americans tend to be more uptight about a lot things that people in other countries don't fret about nearly to the same extent.
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