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Old 11-03-2014, 06:53 AM
 
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Role-modeling doesn't have to be verbal.
No. But first you need to have valid roles in order to model them. The only "role" I want parents modelling is how to be good people. "Male models" and "Female models" and "Father figures" and the like are all meaningless to me.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Jupiter
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Have you ever heard of the phrase "to each its own"? It's honestly a wonderful phrase and pretty much my mantra. It's simple really, unless someone is harming you or someone else or society in general then let them live their own lives how they see fit.

So what if some dude wants to spend all day playing video games? Is he harming someone else? Is he harming society? If the answer is no let him be.

If some dude is not socializing as much as some of you would like, is he a danger to society? No he is not.

All this time wasted on a focusing on some dudes who aren't as social as some people would like them to be when there are far worse things to be and far worse people out there.
Repped.
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Old 11-03-2014, 07:10 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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No. But first you need to have valid roles in order to model them. The only "role" I want parents modelling is how to be good people. "Male models" and "Female models" and "Father figures" and the like are all meaningless to me.

Well said.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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But monumentus seems to think that women can explain and show boys what it's like to be a man.
The reality is, even the very best, most conscientious and loving mom cannot be a man.

It just is what it is. Good men are important in a child's life.
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Old 11-03-2014, 02:43 PM
 
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The reality is, even the very best, most conscientious and loving mom cannot be a man.

It just is what it is. Good men are important in a child's life.
When a mom throws her babys dad back out in the dating pool she cant expect him to have as much time for his son. As we all know from these forums it is exponentially more difficult for a guy to find a new partner as it is for a woman. The amont of time a guy has to expend to find a new sexual partner is hugely different from what a woman has to spend, that time is taken away from the child becuase of the mom.

There should be no expectation of celibacy just because the couple broke up.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Jupiter
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The reality is, even the very best, most conscientious and loving mom cannot be a man.

It just is what it is. Good men are important in a child's life.
Glad I have my stepdad can teach me more about women.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Canada
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When a mom throws her babys dad back out in the dating pool she cant expect him to have as much time for his son. As we all know from these forums it is exponentially more difficult for a guy to find a new partner as it is for a woman. The amont of time a guy has to expend to find a new sexual partner is hugely different from what a woman has to spend, that time is taken away from the child becuase of the mom.

There should be no expectation of celibacy just because the couple broke up.
All of those absentee fathers are because the mothers didn't want them around. Riiiiight. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so delusional.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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All of those absentee fathers are because the mothers didn't want them around. Riiiiight. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so delusional.
You're leaving out the part about the absentee fathers having so much trouble finding sex that they can't raise and mentor their own children. Words fail.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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I can simply not thing of a single thing a woman could NOT explain to a son and - it seems - nor can you when put to the test on it.
Oh sure, a mom can get a book on puberty and whatnot. But she won't have the answers to questions like "What does it feel like to..." How did you learn to...? When the only answers can come from a man' actual experience. Boys need male stories and male reassurance that they are normal, and male guidance when they are not.

I just don't see a son asking his mother questions about sex, masturbation, locker room hazing, unwanted erections, what taking steroids can do to you, etc. My daughters would never ask their dad any of that stuff either.

Mentoring and role modeling isn't always about teaching. It's about being there to answer personal questions that the young person finds it hard to ask someone of the opposite sex.

I know you would love to live in a gender-neutral, pansexual society of peace, love and orgies, but fortunately that is not the reality for most people.
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Oh sure, a mom can get a book on puberty and whatnot. But she won't have the answers to questions like "What does it feel like to..." How did you learn to...? When the only answers can come from a man' actual experience.

Boys need male stories and male reassurance that they are normal, and male guidance when they are not.

I just don't see a son asking his mother questions about sex, masturbation, locker room hazing, unwanted erections, what taking steroids can do to you, etc. My daughters would never ask their dad any of that stuff either.

Mentoring and role modeling isn't always about teaching. It's about being there to answer personal questions that the young person finds it hard to ask someone of the opposite sex.

I know you would to live in a gender-neutral, pansexual society of peace, love and orgies, but fortunately that is not the reality for most people.
So well said, great post
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