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I was referring quite clearly to the guys on this forum who have created entire threads around the fact that they can't get a 2nd date, only first dates. It's a niche. Apparently. The OP was also addressing those guys. It wasn't a bad idea for an OP.
The OP was poorly written, as well as OP's follow ups, because it implies that it's a man's job to do X, Y, and Z on a date as opposed to "this is how anyone should act in a social situation" as per Mikala43's comment.
I was referring quite clearly to the guys on this forum who have created entire threads around the fact that they can't get a 2nd date, only first dates. It's a niche. Apparently. The OP was also addressing those guys. It wasn't a bad idea for an OP.
1) And yet, every guy here will maintain otherwise. So we're left with 2 options: either a) OP is wrong, or b) we have to admit that not everyone around here is truly honest with themselves, which means that a WHOLE lot of garbage being spewed in other threads about their "experiences" is crap.
2) Again.
3) The OP wasn't "addressing" anybody. She was venting about not being catered to in a way she wanted. Those aforementioned "can't get a second date" threads pale by comparison to the first, to the point of almost uselessness.
The OP was poorly written, as well as OP's follow ups, because it implies that it's a man's job to do X, Y, and Z on a date as opposed to "this is how anyone should act in a social situation" as per Mikala43's comment.
I think that's where there's a disconnect.
I wouldn't entirely disagree with that. I'd like to hear from the OP as to what she did to try to get the date on track. We don't even know what kind of date this was: a lunch or dinner date where they both sat awkwardly at the table in silence for the entire meal? Some kind of activity date, where there at least was a distraction? More info needed.
The OP was poorly written, as well as OP's follow ups, because it implies that it's a man's job to do X, Y, and Z on a date as opposed to "this is how anyone should act in a social situation" as per Mikala43's comment.
I think that's where there's a disconnect.
My responses have mostly been directed at Yiuppy, who hasn't indicated anything close to "it's both parties' responsibility". Some of the OP's followups involved some backpedaling, but not anything near the same level.
Yes, because the fact that I let one day slip after we slept together negates the fact that I took the girl on four dates and have initiated everything. Doesn't really speak to the fact that I didn't sleep with the previous two women before her. But yeah, you were saying...
Then youre trying with women who arent interested in you. If she feels secure in opening up to a man whos into her then she will. Like I said.
My responses have mostly been directed at Yiuppy, who hasn't indicated anything close to "it's both parties' responsibility". Some of the OP's followups involved some backpedaling, but not anything near the same level.
I wouldn't entirely disagree with that. I'd like to hear from the OP as to what she did to try to get the date on track. We don't even know what kind of date this was: a lunch or dinner date where they both sat awkwardly at the table in silence for the entire meal? Some kind of activity date, where there at least was a distraction? More info needed.
As indicated, you won't get it. At least not accurately. Pretend that they did, in fact, sit in silence, for an awkward dinner. OP has 2 options:
1) Admit it, and look silly
2) Lie her face off, so that we may proclaim her the truly righteous member of the party.
Alternatively, maybe she really did try everything, but you can tell from the tone of the original post that this wasn't the case. At this point, it's all backpedaling.
Then youre trying with women who arent interested in you. If she feels secure in opening up to a man whos into her then she will. Like I said.
Oh, no, they're interested in me taking them out on dates and paying for them, sleeping with them in some instances. But they're not interested in stepping up to the plate and making any effort whatsoever to show they're interested in me by initiating anything. Essentially, I feel like I've been used in the last three dating scenarios.
Again, like I said before, people are selfish and will use you for their own self-interests.
My responses have mostly been directed at Yiuppy, who hasn't indicated anything close to "it's both parties' responsibility". Some of the OP's followups involved some backpedaling, but not anything near the same level.
You havent read all my replies. Youre just bitter, hate women and are trolling. If any of your replies to me were based in truth or a sincere opinion then I would care.
On a loosely related note, the women that are up in arms about how men "should" behave on dates are the ones most susceptible to being "played" by the men who know how this behavior works, and simply don't care. Expect equality (in date mannerisms, not the "greater political level" equality, which is a larger topic), get equality. Expect one-sided behavior, and men will (temporarily) provide it to get laid, then drop you because you're not worth the long-haul effort.
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