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Old 02-17-2015, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Ok then genius, why don't you explain to us all your solution for stopping "undesirables" from breeding? Would you like send them to a 1930's-40's German style "work" camp? Would you like to propose laws to segregate them from the general populace? You made the comment, so I want to see you defend it!
Iddy has a closed mind (creative) but closed.

Solve a problem instead of complain.

 
Old 02-17-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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Well, you can't dictate that in a free country. Plus we would have to make sure that desirable people do breed, because we need to perpetuate the species.

If anything the birthrate is a little too low in developed countries.
You can actually. We probably can't go as far as forced adoption, abortion, or licensing, but we can provide incentives and disincentives.

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The totalitarian fascists called and they want their ideology back.
So it's better to subsidize the undesirables?

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You can't tell people what or what not to do. Are they hurting you in any way? If not, leave people alone.
They are. Instead of my tax money getting spent locally and used for things that benefit me the money gets sent to poor people in the south. Even locally, we have to spend an obscene amount of money on law enforcement and corrections to keep the undesirables in check.
 
Old 02-17-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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You can actually. We probably can't go as far as forced adoption, abortion, or licensing, but we can provide incentives and disincentives.



So it's better to subsidize the undesirables?



They are. Instead of my tax money getting spent locally and used for things that benefit me the money gets sent to poor people in the south. Even locally, we have to spend an obscene amount of money on law enforcement and corrections to keep the undesirables in check.


It's better to live in a liberated western society rather than an 80's Soviet style Republic which reproductively eliminates "undesirables". No?
 
Old 02-17-2015, 04:55 PM
 
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It's better to live in a liberated western society rather than an 80's Soviet style Republic which reproductively eliminates "undesirables". No?
No, not when we when subsidize the undesirables.
 
Old 02-17-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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No, not when we when subsidize the undesirables.

Well we live in such a society, and as with most democratic republics around the civilized world, we have a welfare system. Now I'm all in favor of legally reforming this system if needed, but referring to certain people as "undesirable" and devising ways of eliminating them (as proposed earlier by another poster) is anti-constitutional, anti-liberty, and just plain wrong. If reform is needed then vote, write your congressional rep, or peacefully assemble. But, the answer is NOT to put the "Star of David" on undesirables.

Last edited by TenorSax83; 02-17-2015 at 05:15 PM.. Reason: typo
 
Old 02-17-2015, 05:29 PM
 
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No, not when we when subsidize the undesirables.

You want to live in a country where children starve in the street? Because that's what would happen.

Welfare does not incentive having child after child anymore. The cap is 3 and then you don't get any extra for more kids. Cash assistance is capped at 5 years. Most people receiving welfare are the working poor. Unless we (the privileged) provide them with job with higher wages to support their families were going to have to pay for their tiny welfare stipends.
 
Old 02-17-2015, 05:33 PM
 
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Oh good
Government run eugenics talk

Classy
 
Old 02-17-2015, 06:27 PM
 
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Well we live in such a society, and as with most democratic republics around the civilized world, we have a welfare system. Now I'm all in favor of legally reforming this system if needed, but referring to certain people as "undesirable" and devising ways of eliminating them (as proposed earlier by another poster) is anti-constitutional, anti-liberty, and just plain wrong. If reform is needed then vote, write your congressional rep, or peacefully assemble. But, the answer is NOT to put the "Star of David" on undesirables.
There is nothing unconstitutional about debating what we should do with the bottom barrel of society. Clearly we can't just kill them, but we don't need to provide incentives for them while providing disincentives for wealthier people.

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You want to live in a country where children starve in the street? Because that's what would happen.

Welfare does not incentive having child after child anymore. The cap is 3 and then you don't get any extra for more kids. Cash assistance is capped at 5 years.
I just don't want to pay for people that are going to rob me on the street and make entire swaths of the city unlivable which is going to result in having to pay even more to hire cops and prison guards. That money could be put to far better use than constantly dealing with somebody's mistake that we encouraged in the first place.

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Most people receiving welfare are the working poor. Unless we (the privileged) provide them with job with higher wages to support their families were going to have to pay for their tiny welfare stipends.
If they stayed in school instead of breeding they could have a high paying job.
 
Old 02-17-2015, 06:44 PM
 
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There is nothing unconstitutional about debating what we should do with the bottom barrel of society. Clearly we can't just kill them, but we don't need to provide incentives for them while providing disincentives for wealthier people.



I just don't want to pay for people that are going to rob me on the street and make entire swaths of the city unlivable which is going to result in having to pay even more to hire cops and prison guards. That money could be put to far better use than constantly dealing with somebody's mistake that we encouraged in the first place.



If they stayed in school instead of breeding they could have a high paying job.

Not every person is capable of completing higher education and even if they were, there certainly are not enough high paying jobs to employ them all. Just pay out your taxes and be glad you aren't them. We can't kill them and we must maintain their rights for all our sakes. The only thing we can do is save those who are capable but were born in poverty.
 
Old 02-17-2015, 06:45 PM
 
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There is nothing unconstitutional about debating what we should do with the bottom barrel of society. Clearly we can't just kill them, but we don't need to provide incentives for them while providing disincentives for wealthier people.
That's the beauty of living here, being able to debate it openly!

If you are in favor of reform, go for it! Bug the hell out of your district congressional rep, he should be repping your interests. Or contribute to a lobby that agrees with your stance.
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