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Old 02-11-2015, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Once again, apples and oranges. A woman wanting equal pay for the SAME JOB doesn't have anything to do with how she wants to conduct her romantic life. I suggest you ask all your dates how much they make, ask them if they want equal pay for the same job, and then give them a chart showing them how much of the date they have to pay based on their income. Because dates are all about how women want to be treated by the government and now how two people are compatible together.
This statement does not make any logical sense. I can't explain it to you any simpler than I already have though.

Women were taken care of in the past because they did not have the same opportunities as men. But now, they're working towards closing that gap and they still expect that they should be taken care of.

I can't expect to collect welfare after I win the lottery. That's what some women seem to want though.

Anyway, this is veering away from the OP. This will be my last post on this matter.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Doesn't make sense to me. One is purely a social convention. The other is a matter of legal rights. Two completely different arenas and fundamentally different issues. There are some issues where they (the social and legal) intersect (aka civil marriage), but dating is not one of them.
It's a social convention that existed because women were far more dependent in the past. They didn't work as much. They were homemakers. So it makes sense that men took care of them. That was their role in society. Those standards are changing though as women close the gap in terms of opportunity equality.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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This statement does not make any logical sense. I can't explain it to you any simpler than I already have though.

Women were taken care of in the past because they did not have the same opportunities as men. But now, they're working towards closing that gap and they still expect that they should be taken care of.

I can't expect to collect welfare after I win the lottery. That's what some women seem to want though.

Anyway, this is veering away from the OP. This will be my last post on this matter.
If you have a beef with a few women being spoiled - that's fine. But it is about them being spoiled. Wanting equal rights and equal pay but still wanting to feel special and like a woman in your dating life isn't a double standard. I mean, I think people should get the same pay for the same job regardless of their gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. - that doesn't mean that I think that people want to be seen as genderless, religionless, orientation-less in their dating life. Wanting a man to shower her with gifts while she gives nothing in return doesn't have anything to do with wanting equal rights. The fact that you are making a spoiled issue into an equal rights issue is what I find so baffling and frankly, a bit repellent.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The fact that you are making a spoiled issue into an equal rights issue is what I find so baffling and frankly, a bit repellent.
Because it's an example of a double-standard. I find double-standards repellent.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:28 AM
 
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Because it's an example of a double-standard. I find double-standards repellent.
For it to be a double standard, it would have to be concerning the same issue or arena in society. This isn't.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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Because it's an example of a double-standard. I find double-standards repellent.
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For it to be a double standard, it would have to be concerning the same issue or arena in society. This isn't.
That's how I see it as well.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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For it to be a double standard, it would have to be concerning the same issue or arena in society. This isn't.
That's fine if you want to think this.

All I've maintained throughout this discussion is that I'm opposed to people thinking they are entitled to things they have not earned. If you're a woman who thinks a man should take care of you because you're a woman, I don't agree with that.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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That's fine if you want to think this.

All I've maintained throughout this discussion is that I'm opposed to people thinking they are entitled to things they have not earned. If you're a woman who thinks a man should take care of you because you're a woman, I don't agree with that.
Dating isn't about "earning." If you are dating a woman that wants to be taken care of financially - then she is not the woman for you simply because you don't want to take care of a woman financially. That's enough. End of story. Bringing equal rights and equal pay into the conversation just makes it sound like you have a huge chip on your shoulder that women want equal rights and equal pay.
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:50 AM
 
Location: San Bernandino, CA
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Get used to double standards... life is full of them, lol. You have obviously not lived much or have lived a sheltered life
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Old 02-11-2015, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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If you're a woman who thinks a man should take care of you because you're a woman, I don't agree with that.
But in a dating context, everyone wants to feel like they're special to the one they're with. So it's not so much about a man taking care of a woman because she's a woman, it's a guy wanting to show the woman with whom he's on a date that he thinks she's awesome. And she'll be doing things to show him her appreciation, as well.

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