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View Poll Results: Where Some cultural norms of yesteryear More conducive to long term relationships?
I'm a man and I say yes 23 46.00%
I'm a woman and I say yes 11 22.00%
I'm a man and I say no 5 10.00%
I'm a woman and I say no 11 22.00%
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Old 08-04-2015, 09:49 PM
 
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Actually, a while a fairly commonly held belief, not, in fact, true:

The Straight Dope: Does "rule of thumb" refer to an old law permitting wife beating?

I had always heard wrong apparently. This agrees: Rule of thumb - meaning and origin.

Hubby says he is still holding with the stick theory.
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Old 08-05-2015, 07:01 AM
 
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Yes and there were still exceptions, granted when you look up those exceptions they were usually unattractive women from wealthy families with no male heirs.
There are always exceptions so whats your point. That a few women (ugly, wealthy and there being no other heirs) had privileges and could be financially independent without a husband. So that's make it ok for all the other 99% of women.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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There are always exceptions so whats your point. That a few women (ugly, wealthy and there being no other heirs) had privileges and could be financially independent without a husband. So that's make it ok for all the other 99% of women.
But its ok for things to be crappy for 90% of the men out there.....?
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:45 AM
 
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But its ok for things to be crappy for 90% of the men out there.....?

It's not. That's just a number you are making up, I don't even think 90% of men are single.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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But its ok for things to be crappy for 90% of the men out there.....?
Why is it crappy for the men out there? Because women can work and take care of themselves?
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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But its ok for things to be crappy for 90% of the men out there.....?
But its NOT crappy for 90% of men. Are you saying only 10% of men in this country are married/dating/in a relationship. BS. But yes if 90% of one group feel their love life is crappy it is still not ok to oppress/discriminated against 99% of another group in order to stack the deck in your favor.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:24 PM
 
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But its NOT crappy for 90% of men. Are you saying only 10% of men in this country are married/dating/in a relationship. BS. But yes if 90% of one group feel their love life is crappy it is still not ok to oppress/discriminated against 99% of another group in order to stack the deck in your favor.
Most men (and women) who wish to be in a relationship, are in a relationship.

Most men who lead dead-end lives would have failed in securing a relationship in our mythical past, as they do in our actual present.

However, things are indeed "crappy" for the Google/Apple/Microsoft multi-millionaire who's superb at managing a team of code-developers, but who lacks the charisma or the connections for successful dating. 100 years ago, the counterpart of such a man would have been considered to have been a prized catch.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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Most men (and women) who wish to be in a relationship, are in a relationship.

Most men who lead dead-end lives would have failed in securing a relationship in our mythical past, as they do in our actual present.

However, things are indeed "crappy" for the Google/Apple/Microsoft multi-millionaire who's superb at managing a team of code-developers, but who lacks the charisma or the connections for successful dating. 100 years ago, the counterpart of such a man would have been considered to have been a prized catch.
Meh, social media. With that kind of money he can advertize for a wife. He is still a prized catch for some women. This is not much different than when some men in the past had to seek the original mail order brides due to lack of females in particular areas. Men lacking charisma or connections may not be successful dating rich or poor.

There is also a segment of women for which dating is crappy as well.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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Meh, social media. With that kind of money he can advertize for a wife. He is still a prized catch for some women. This is not much different than when some men in the past had to seek the original mail order brides due to lack of females in particular areas. Men lacking charisma or connections may not be successful dating rich or poor.

There is also a segment of women for which dating is crappy as well.
Yes and no. We've heard ubiquitously how like ought to marry like. If the fellow in question trades on his wealth, marrying a woman attracted to his wealth (possessing little of her own), he's risking calamitous divorce. We've heard enough on this issue that I need not belabor it here. But what was different in the past? In the patriarchal past, the wife would have had no access to her husband's money in the event of divorce, save perhaps if she could prove infidelity. The "mail order bride", or whatever it was termed back then, would have been a safe proposition. It no longer is.

Perhaps more importantly, in the mythical past it was common and accepted for women to enter into such arrangements, in no small measure because their parents would have goaded them into it. Today this is unusual.

Ultimately my point is that for dating in the present, lacking charisma or connections is a devastating impediment. In that past, raw power of wealth (or aristocratic background) could have been used to demolish this impediment. That no longer works.
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Old 08-05-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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My 2c worth? A proper arranged marriage takes all of the drama out. No dating required!
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