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The thing is--one of the things I mentioned is having the discussion about pregnancy and what the woman's viewpoint on pregnancy and abortion prior to sleeping with her--a man who truly does not want to get trapped by a baby should probably make sure he knows the woman he's sleeping with and what she would do if birth control failed or condoms failed and she got pregnant. Too many people get intimate without being aware of their partners viewpoints on abortion and accidental pregnancies and then get surprised when they are not on the same page once one is "accidentally"pregnant. There are also a portion of men that trust women who claim they are on birth control or can't ever have kids, and they don't bother to protect themselves with condoms, make sure she's actually telling the truth and so on because they take her word for it then these same men get mad when she comes up pregnant. Birth control does fail, and accidental pregnancies occur, but the word "trap" implies that a man was intentionally placed in a situation by a woman and had no role in it and this is not true. Anyone that has consensual sex in today's world knows the risks--so if the girl winds up pregnant, while it may be accidental, he certainly was a willing participant in the accident, and therefore he had not been trapped. If the girl on the other hand intentionally got pregnant and "tricked" him into believing she was on bc, or couldn't have kids, or busted a condom and he did not notice--then yes he was trapped in the sense that she tried to get pregnant deceitfully but even then he slept with the crazy b***** and knew the risks. My ex(baby father) always had a motto: "only sleep with women you can see yourself having kids with because anything can happen bonding you to that person for life". Too many people who should know better sleep with those that aren't good for them or that they don't know and they aren't thinking about the consequences or risks. That is why the word "trapped" rarely fits the majority of these situations.
Ok, so maybe he didn't know her views on abortion. That still doesn't mean he should have to have his wages garnishehd for 18 years or face jail.
If he tells her he doesn't want the kid and she opts to keep it anyway, she should be the sole proprietor with all that entails.
She doesn't need his child support if he opted out and they weren't married. We already have welfare for single moms.
Any woman that intentionally pokes a hole in a condom to increase the chances of a guy getting her pregnant is evil incarnate. Women that do this are losers - sickening .
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Why is it taking over a quarter of century for the US government to approve a male birth control method that is more reliable and comfortable than condoms when that method has had repeated and consistent success in India and other Asian countries? There is definitely something going on politically.
Your link said the reasons are that U.S. clinical trials would be very expensive, since they'd have to be completely replicated domestically, and major pharmaceutical companies aren't that interested. The injection would be relatively inexpensive for consumers (less than an IUD) and Big Pharma wants people to buy drugs they have to take over and over for a long time. There's a lot more profit in the Pill. It's capitalism, not politics.
Ok, so maybe he didn't know her views on abortion. That still doesn't mean he should have to have his wages garnishehd for 18 years or face jail.
If he tells her he doesn't want the kid and she opts to keep it anyway, she should be the sole proprietor with all that entails.
She doesn't need his child support if he opted out and they weren't married. We already have welfare for single moms.
Im confused by the last two lines of your argument. I don't want to turn this into a discussion about abortion vs a man getting to walk away and whether he should be able to.
My only point is man who willingly has sex with a woman knowing all the risks and the possibility of pregnancy cannot get "trapped" when the outcome is something he knew may happen and still did it anyway. And let's face it people who truly don't want babies don't have them and make sure to get and vet people to be sure they don't want them either. There are many threads where child free people talk about this--because they are that serious about not wanting a kid. People that don't have that attitude about it but are shocked when s*** hits the fan can say many things but trapped? Lol. I guess. If he didn't notice a tampered condom or put his protection in the hands of the woman(trusting her word, letting her put the condom on him, trusting that she's really taking her bc) then that's on him. If an accident happens despite him doing everything right but he finds out that she doesn't believe in abortion--then once again why didn't he talk about that with her before they slept together, especially since pregnancy is a risk. Just like you should ask if a person has stds before you sleep with them, you should also ask if they believe in abortions, adoption, etc and so on. I do believe there are times where a man does get trapped. But the a lot of the time these are cases where men didn't do vet the woman or protect himself adequately and in all cases if he chose to sleep with said person knowing a baby was a possibility then how exactly is he trapped when he contributed to the outcome, by having sex in the first place? Just like men tell women to shut their legs, men need to not f*** if they don't want a baby either.
Im confused by the last two lines of your argument. I don't want to turn this into a discussion about abortion vs a man getting to walk away and whether he should be able to.
My only point is man who willingly has sex with a woman knowing all the risks and the possibility of pregnancy cannot get "trapped" when the outcome is something he knew may happen and still did it anyway. And let's face it people who truly don't want babies don't have them and make sure to get and vet people to be sure they don't want them either. There are many threads where child free people talk about this--because they are that serious about not wanting a kid. People that don't have that attitude about it but are shocked when s*** hits the fan can say many things but trapped? Lol. I guess. If he didn't notice a tampered condom or put his protection in the hands of the woman(trusting her word, letting her put the condom on him, trusting that she's really taking her bc) then that's on him. If an accident happens despite him doing everything right but he finds out that she doesn't believe in abortion--then once again why didn't he talk about that with her before they slept together, especially since pregnancy is a risk. Just like you should ask if a person has stds before you sleep with them, you should also ask if they believe in abortions, adoption, etc and so on. I do believe there are times where a man does get trapped. But the a lot of the time these are cases where men didn't do vet the woman or protect himself adequately and in all cases if he chose to sleep with said person knowing a baby was a possibility then how exactly is he trapped when he contributed to the outcome, by having sex in the first place? Just like men tell women to shut their legs, men need to not f*** if they don't want a baby either.
Yeah, maybe he should have asked her and vetted better, or whatever. So what? I still don't think the consequence for that should be 20 years of wage garnishment and a kid knowing their own father doesn't want them. That is grossly disproportionate. That's like the death sentence for speeding.
The whole lying-about-birth-control thing may not happen often, but it does happen.
Yeah, maybe he should have asked her and vetted better, or whatever. So what? I still don't think the consequence for that should be 20 years of wage garnishment and a kid knowing their own father doesn't want them. That is grossly disproportionate. That's like the death sentence for speeding.
The whole lying-about-birth-control thing may not happen often, but it does happen.
Just keep those legs closed, mister and you won't have to worry about a thing!
Yeah, maybe he should have asked her and vetted better, or whatever. So what? I still don't think the consequence for that should be 20 years of wage garnishment and a kid knowing their own father doesn't want them. That is grossly disproportionate. That's like the death sentence for speeding.
The whole lying-about-birth-control thing may not happen often, but it does happen.
Pregnancy is one of the consequences of sex lol--I mean it isn't like it just happens out of nowhere. If a man wants to avoid any possibility where he may be garnished for 18 years and be known as a deadbeat he need to either not have sex, protect himself as much as possible or have sex with women who have similar beliefs as he does. It's sort of simple when you look at it that way.
And actually your last line was one of my points-a woman can lie about birth control, so if you don't want a baby still wear a condom even if she says she is on birth control. Wrap that s*** up lol.
This thread is about debunking the notion that a man can't prevent this from happening.
Yes obviously there are cases where a man was successfully trapped but in 2016 where there are many methods of contraception, and information everywhere about the consequences of sex(baby)--if someone truly doesn't want a baby they know what to do.
Besides your same argument can be applied to women--why should she have to make the choice to abort a baby when she is against it(and therefore live with the regret forever) because the father wants her to? Or keep the baby that the man helped make, and he gets to walk away Scot free, even though he helped make it and knew as much as she did that a baby could result. The argument then is if you didn't want to be a single mother you should have made better decisions, kept your legs closed or aborted. Because that's how women get shamed. So the same must be applied to the other side. Don't want to be trapped then make better decisions, don't have sex, or make sure your with a woman that has the same beliefs as you do.
See how that works?
In real life when you make a decision knowing the potential consequences(good or bad) you have to deal with the outcome of the consequence that takes place--you don't simply walk away and pretend that s*** didn't happen. That is unless you can't handle it and if that's the case why weren't you smart enough not to do it in the first place or to do it right so it wouldn't be as likely to happen?
It's circular in that way imo. Until the day where it's okay for a man to do as you said(walk away and allow the woman to deal with it on her own) any man that doesn't want a baby needs to be smart. Ever wonder how people that hate kids, are adamant about being child-free, but have sex all the time, hardly ever end up trapped? They make d*** sure that they are careful so that it doesn't happen.
Now you don't think it's fair that they should be willing to do what it takes to minimize it happening as much as possible because they shouldn't have to pay child support and such for a child they don't want but if they don't want a baby then.... Well look read the above. It's 2016.
And your opinion on what you think someone does or does not deserve is noted--I encourage you to join hands with the many men who have already made this same argument over and over again.
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Pregnancy is one of the consequences of sex lol--I mean it isn't like it just happens out of nowhere. If a man wants to avoid any possibility where he may be garnished for 18 years and be known as a deadbeat he need to either not have sex, or have sex with women who have similar beliefs as he does. It's sort of simple when you look at it that way.
And actually your last line was one of my points-a woman can lie about birth control, so if you don't want a baby still wear a condom even if she says she is on birth control. Wrap that s*** up lol.
This thread is about debunking the notion that a man can't prevent a woman from getting pregnant and trapping him in the many cases where this supposedly happens. Yes obviously there are cases where a man was successfully trapped but in 2016 where there are many methods of contraception, and information everywhere about the consequences of sex(baby)--if someone truly doesn't want a baby they know what to do.
Besides your same argument can be applied to women--why should she have to make the choice to abort a baby when she is against it(and therefore live with the regret forever) because the father wants her to? Or keep the baby that the man helped make, and he gets to walk away Scot free, even though he helped make it and knew as much as she did that a baby could result. The argument then is if you didn't want to be a single mother you should have made better decisions, kept your legs closed or aborted. Because that's how women get shamed. So the same must be applied to the other side. Don't want to be trapped then make better decisions, don't have sex, or make sure your with a woman that has the same beliefs as you do.
See how that works?
In real life when you make a decision knowing the potential consequences(good or bad) you have to deal with the outcome of the consequence that takes place--you don't simply walk away and pretend that s*** didn't happen. That is unless you can't handle it and if that's the case why weren't you smart enough not to do it or to do it right so it wouldn't be as likely to happen?
It's circular in that way imo. Until the day where it's okay for a man to do as you said(walk away and allow the woman to deal with it on her own) any man that doesn't want a baby needs to be smart. Ever wonder how people that hate kids, are adamant about being child-free, but have sex all the time, hardly ever end up trapped? They make d*** sure that they are careful so that it doesn't happen.
Now you don't think it's fair that they should be willing to do what it takes to minimize it happening as much as possible because they shouldn't have to pay child support and such for a child they don't want but if they don't want a baby then.... Well look read the above. It's 2016.
And your opinion on what you think someone does or does not deserve is noted--feel how you feel. If it's that serious for you I encourage you to join hands with the many men who have already made this same argument over and over again.
Pro-life women are innately bats*** and illogical but if she refuses to abort she can still 'choose to walk away' by giving it up for adoption.
Childfree people are not immune to mishaps and when they occur, childfree people abort.
So the woman still has choices after the fact. If she 'takes responsibility,' that's her business. Men should have choices too.
Your argument is basically the equivalent of "well, close your legs then." It's shaming and used to discredit valid points about equal rights.
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