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Old 07-05-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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This is what you think women's lives are like? Guys banging on the door of average Janes, impatiently looking for a date? You can't possibly be serious. I don't know if this is disappointing to you in some odd way, but the lives of average Janes are fairly similar to those of average guys like you. How many plain, average women have you chatted up, let alone asked them on any kind of date, even a coffee date?
They only need to walk into a bar, or set a good dating profile up with flattering pics and they'll be inundated with offers.

The whole social construct of men having to do the approaching tilts the balance so far in favour of women when it comes to options for the average person.

The issue for women is they aren't always deemed good options, they typically won't be. Women get fed up with guys messaging them online with basic greetings because they're too jaded by the abundance they have. The guy has to stand out, both with his pics, his profile and his prose.

 
Old 07-05-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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They only need to walk into a bar, or set a good dating profile up with flattering pics and they'll be inundated with offers.

The whole social construct of men having to do the approaching tilts the balance so far in favour of women when it comes to options for the average person.

The issue for women is they aren't always deemed good options, they typically won't be.
Offers of what???

Saying "but women get offers to get pounded by rando unappealing guys" is like saying "but men get offers to pay for dates with women whom they're not attracted to". 1. Not a newsflash. 2. Not ACTUALLY an option, except among the desperate and self-hating.

Look, ALL you need to do to get laid is pay an escort. It's so simple! So don't tell us you don't have options.

All you need to do to get laid is to wait until closing time at a dive, and take the coughing smoker with the sun-damaged skin who wants to get back at her damned ex. So don't tell us you don't have options.

All you need to get laid is to go for that old chick in Accounting who's, I don't know...a little overweight...maybe 50-60 lbs. over, if that...she thinks you're cute and she's so kind. Yeah, she attaches fast but you can cross that bridge, etc. So don't tell us you don't have options.

See? If you want to include women's "options"...you're going to have to include your own.

Or, if they're untenable...well then *welcome to the whole point*.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 12:56 PM
 
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My very consistent observation through life has been that it's the guys who quickly pick up on a new gf, while the women stay single for a couple of years or more, until they meet someone they click with. Men's "needs" are more urgent than women's. Women can wait for a compatible partner, and quite a few women don't really have the option of picking up a new partner in the short-term, anyway. Contrary to popular belief, many women don't have men lining up to date them.

Especially if there are kids to consider.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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Offers of what???
Attention, at least. The guy will at some point want sex from the female because he's a man.


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All you need to do to get laid is to wait until closing time at a dive, and take the coughing smoker with the sun-damaged skin who wants to get back at her damned ex. So don't tell us you don't have options.
A woman in a bar who wants to get back at her ex will have her pick of most of the single guys in the bar. It's not as simple as a guy just walking up to her and that's that. Maybe occasionally but that's where the phrase "got lucky" comes from, or right place at the right time. It's not a regular occurrence for a majority of guys, it might happen occasionally and the guy is delighted that his luck is in.

Even the professional PUA's basically play by numbers.

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All you need to get laid is to go for that old chick in Accounting who's, I don't know...a little overweight...maybe 50-60 lbs. over, if that...she thinks you're cute and she's so kind. Yeah, she attaches fast but you can cross that bridge, etc. So don't tell us you don't have options.

See? If you want to include women's "options"...you're going to have to include your own.

Or, if they're untenable...well then *welcome to the whole point*.
If you're daft enough to s... where you work.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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You guys realize that that's where I am from, right?

Let me put it to you this way, the way guys like myself see it. The average in US is 6.5 while the average in Ukraine is more like an 8. Soooo, the concept of average in itself is the same, but the value of that average is not. I have seen so many women here being incredibly picky about stuff and those are the kind of women I wouldn't even look at. So yeah, guess I am doomed. I want to like someone below my level of looks, but... I simply caaaant
Well, see? You say women have men banging on their door, impatient for dates, but at the same time, you say you can't even look at women who aren't above-average. Do you see the contradiction there? The women you and other guys won't look at, and don't even see when they cross your field of vision, are the women who don't have options. And there are more than just a few of them.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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Attention, at least. The guy will at some point want sex from the female because he's a man.
Women don't want attention from men they don't want. At all. No, it is NOT fun to have Grampa Creeper or Mr. D Pic breathing at you. Not in the slightest. Are you grateful when you get attention from totally unappealing women breathing on you and making creepy jokes and texting you pics of anything that sags, bags or falls out?


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A woman in a bar who wants to get back at her ex will have her pick of most of the single guys in the bar. It's not as simple as a guy just walking up to her and that's that. Maybe occasionally but that's where the phrase "got lucky" comes from, or right place at the right time. It's not a regular occurrence for a majority of guys, it might happen occasionally and the guy is delighted that his luck is in.

Even the professional PUA's basically play by numbers.
Including the craggy alcoholic? Come on now. I've been to bars. I've seen which women "get attention." If she's at least cute, sure. Or at the very, very least, not totally unattractive. If not, well...nope. She's drinking alone. Plus, so what? She's still an option, for you.



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If you're daft enough to s... where you work.
Oh, we're allowed to put in qualifiers? Well then where should I start with the guys women on OLD would have to be daft to hook up with? For a thousand reasons. So okay, you've just taken a pretty fair chunk out of those "opportunities" you think women have.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 01:14 PM
 
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If you're daft enough to s... where you work.
That admonition usually applies to people working in the same office. JerZ's example was of someone in a different office, though in the same company.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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That admonition usually applies to people working in the same office. JerZ's example was of someone in a different office, though in the same company.
Yup! Not to mention the fact that that was a sidetrack anyway.

She's an option.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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If you're daft enough to s... where you work.
Then substitute "apartment building" or "grocery store" or whatever. You know the point that she was trying to make.
 
Old 07-05-2018, 01:26 PM
 
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They only need to walk into a bar, or set a good dating profile up with flattering pics and they'll be inundated with offers.

The whole social construct of men having to do the approaching tilts the balance so far in favour of women when it comes to options for the average person.

The issue for women is they aren't always deemed good options, they typically won't be. Women get fed up with guys messaging them online with basic greetings because they're too jaded by the abundance they have. The guy has to stand out, both with his pics, his profile and his prose.
I totally agree with you. The disparity has been well documented and demonstrated time and time again. But there are a handful of women on here that will never accept it and will continue to argue with you indefinitely. No point in trying, really.
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