Catcalling: creepy or a compliment? (lesbian, gay, statistics, percentage)

[SifuPhil]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

You also overestimated the power of the male erection under conditions of extreme stress and potential danger.

Nope.

In reality, males can respond physically to stimulation (get an erection) even in traumatic or painful sexual situations. Therapists who work with sexual offenders know that one way a perp can maintain secrecy is to label the victim's sexual response as an indication of his willingness to participate. "You liked it, you wanted it," they'll say. Many survivors feel guilt and shame because they experienced physical arousal while being abused. Physical (and visual or auditory) stimulation is likely to happen in a sexual situation. It does not mean that the victim wanted the experience - only that their sexual organs were functioning properly.

Fred, have you ever had a DRE? If so, what happened (I'm assuming you're a generally healthy guy)? An erection, right? Are you a vet, or do you know any to speak to? Ask a few about getting erections during combat. It's quite common.

What is an erection but increased blood flow to the penis? Ever try Viagra? That's the principle it works on - it's a vasodilator. Likewise, in situations of extreme fear and stress, our blood pressure increases, sending more blood to all parts of the body. Add in the adrenaline dump and you'd be hard-pressed not to be hard.

Finally, the most important point...one thing that ALL the threads in these forums have in common - we have to define our terms; otherwise, we're just voiding our bladders into the prevailing westerlies. Rape - specifically, a woman raping a man (or boy) - does NOT, I repeat does NOT necessarily require insertion of a penis into a vagina.

But that's what everyone is thinking, right?

How about the female sexual offender (because that's what she is in the eyes of the law) who happens to be a teacher, and just happens to commit statutory rape with one of her students?

How about the female gang members that knock the **** out of some poor guy, hold him down and use a ***** on him?

How about the incestuous mom that plays heavy head-games with Junior? He's being coerced - a prime ingredient of rape.

The drunk guy who follows the gorgeous gal home, only to have her friends grab him and force him to commit cunnilingus?

Now granted, female-on-male rape currently accounts for only about 5-10% of reported rapes, but the general consensus is that this form of rape is under-reported because of the stigma involved, in addition to circumstances such as blackmail.

But please don't say it's a physiological impossibility - the Justice Department stats alone will reveal how possible it is.

[MonaLisaVito]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

It has nothing to do with the reality of rape as you so aptly describe it, and to even indulge in such a comparative discussion diminishes the seriousness of rape which is a violent, psychotic, attack, not an erotic exercise.

never mind this post................

[MonaLisaVito]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

It has nothing to do with the reality of rape as you so aptly describe it, and to even indulge in such a comparative discussion diminishes the seriousness of rape which is a violent, psychotic, attack, not an erotic exercise.

Thank you Freddie

[SifuPhil]

Originally Posted by MonaLisaVito

Thank you Freddie

Oh, please.

So if we all clam up, we'll keep it up on the pedestal it so richly deserves, right?

[Fat Freddy]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

Fred, have you ever had a DRE? If so, what happened ? An erection, right?

No Phil, my urologist's finger doesn't give me an erection, but I hear that's a pretty common occurrence at the Castro Street Free Clinic.

Are you a vet, or do you know any to speak to? Ask a few about getting erections during combat. It's quite common.

That might have been common in your unit, but my experience was that no matter how many sweet little B-Girls were wrapped around you, when somebody yelled "Incoming!" and the ceiling falls in, the last thing you would get is an erection. As a matter of fact you wouldn't even think about that part of your anatomy until the dust settled and you felt down there to see if it was still attached.

But, I was in the Air Force.
I understand that many Marines got erections every time they pulled the trigger, but that shouldn't count because they were trained that way.

...we have to define our terms;

Rape - specifically, a woman raping a man (or boy) - does NOT, I repeat does NOT necessarily require insertion of a penis into a vagina.

That's exactly my point when I said that comparative discussion diminishes the seriousness of rape.
It makes no more sense to compare male rape, as defined by the legal and psychological definitions of various types of sexual abuse, to the violent penetration of a female than it does to compare it to the rape of the forests by the logging interests.

[SifuPhil]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

That's exactly my point when I said that comparative discussion diminishes the seriousness of rape.
It makes no more sense to compare male rape, as defined by the legal and psychological definitions of various types of sexual abuse, to the violent penetration of a female than it does to compare it to the rape of the forests by the logging interests.

Oy...I give up.

Have fun.

[Fat Freddy]

Originally Posted by SifuPhil

Oy...I give up.

I accept your surrender.
It felt so good to say that.
I'm getting an erection.

[beowulf7]

I'm restating what SifuPhil said at the top of this page to a degree. When a woman is raped, it's taken very serious as it should be and there's lots of counseling available for her (and I assume effective, at least to a degree). However, if a man reports being raped, then he'll be mocked and ridiculed. Forget about counseling. And that's probably why many raped men don't report it.

In general, men can overpower women. So a woman can be raped more easily than a man. But I'm sure there are puny men who can be overpowered by a strong woman. And rape doesn't have to involve an erection. What if she took a sex object and shoved it up his butt? Or she fondled his nether regions? That is rape. And he'd probably get made fun of by saying he was raped by a woman.

I'm not saying a man getting raped is worse than a woman getting raped. I'm just saying there are other issues involved.

Anyway, let's get back to catcalling comments.

[sierraAZ]

Originally Posted by beowulf7

And rape doesn't have to involve an erection. What if she took a sex object and shoved it up his butt?

OK, you convinced me. Those of us who don't play with toys don't even think about it... Gotta expand my horizons. I still highly doubt it's happening (one too many stars have to align), but it's technically possible.

[TKramar]

Originally Posted by MonaLisaVito

What happened when you moved from room to room? Weren't you able to get away at all? Shut the door and hold your body up against it? Were you able to overpower her at any time? I would think you being a man you may have been able to just knock her out with one punch to the face, it is self defense when you are being raped. Did she have a weapon?

Please forgive my questions if she had a weapon or was able to overpower you.

I remember being raped. I remember screaming and begging for him to stop. Fighting and kicking and punching as hard as I could. Trying to bite him. He was stronger than me and held me down, I couldn't get away. I remember at one point dry heaving and choking on my own salivia. At no time was I sexually aroused, NEVER, by that I also mean I was not sexually stimulated down there (trying to be PG here), I'm not sure how a man being raped could hold an erection during such a violent and terrifying act.

"Disclosure"...Michael Crichton.