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I personally think if they lie about their age then the person should not be held accountable. This is totally messed up.
That's my feeling as well.. seems really unfair.
However, the rule of thumb I've been told several occasions is that minors are not in the capacity to enter into agreements; written nor verbal. So technically, a store has the right to refuse to sell anything to a minor at the register; purchase of an item is a contractual agreement of sorts.
So if the law doesn't hold minors accountable for agreements then it applies to the same when they say they are older in age then they really are. Example, a minor attempting to buy alcohol can lie about their age but the store and the clerk are still liable; saying the minor claimed to be old enough when they legally don't have the capacity to claim so isn't a defense.
These are cases in which you hope the Judge is lenient because of the pattern of behavior from the minor. Unfortunately, statutory rape also includes sex offender registry.. ugh... I'm a bit divided on how we implemented that system.
The alternate could be much worse. You could have statutory rape incidences in which the rapist claims the minor said she was old enough degrading the case to a "he said/ she said" conundrum. It could end up being a loophole exploited.
Oh well... it is what it is. Just check their IDs if she looks too young... If she is old enough, then hopefully she will be flattered. I wouldn't even go out with a minor; while she may not be held accountable for agreements... if she claims statutory rape, the authorities will definitely listen.. and her word will sound far more damaging than your defense. The mere perception of a legal adult going out with a minor can be trouble....
However, the rule of thumb I've been told several occasions is that minors are not in the capacity to enter into agreements; written nor verbal. So technically, a store has the right to refuse to sell anything to a minor at the register; purchase of an item is a contractual agreement of sorts.
So if the law doesn't hold minors accountable for agreements then it applies to the same when they say they are older in age then they really are. Example, a minor attempting to buy alcohol can lie about their age but the store and the clerk are still liable; saying the minor claimed to be old enough when they legally don't have the capacity to claim so isn't a defense.
These are cases in which you hope the Judge is lenient because of the pattern of behavior from the minor. Unfortunately, statutory rape also includes sex offender registry.. ugh... I'm a bit divided on how we implemented that system.
The alternate could be much worse. You could have statutory rape incidences in which the rapist claims the minor said she was old enough degrading the case to a "he said/ she said" conundrum.
Oh well... it is what it is. Just check their IDs if she looks too young... If she is old enough, then hopefully she will be flattered.
Yes.. risk... you do not have a defense at all even if a fake ID was used. I agree.. does seem unfair. Especially if she were also using he fake ID to get alcohol at a bar.
I'm not one to have casual sex with strangers so I've never found myself in a situation that her age was in question.... I've had lots of partners but usually know them pretty well. I'd at the very least notice they were still living with parents.
I guess its a risk you take... You can learn to spot fake IDs.... Bartenders have told me it really isn't that hard to learn.
Yes.. risk... you do not have a defense at all even if a fake ID was used. I agree.. does seem unfair. Especially if she were also using he fake ID to get alcohol at a bar.
I'd find that hard to believe. First off, if you're caught using a fake ID to buy alcohol, enter a bar, etc. You can/will definitely get in trouble.
However, the rule of thumb I've been told several occasions is that minors are not in the capacity to enter into agreements; written nor verbal. So technically, a store has the right to refuse to sell anything to a minor at the register; purchase of an item is a contractual agreement of sorts.
So if the law doesn't hold minors accountable for agreements then it applies to the same when they say they are older in age then they really are. Example, a minor attempting to buy alcohol can lie about their age but the store and the clerk are still liable; saying the minor claimed to be old enough when they legally don't have the capacity to claim so isn't a defense.
These are cases in which you hope the Judge is lenient because of the pattern of behavior from the minor. Unfortunately, statutory rape also includes sex offender registry.. ugh... I'm a bit divided on how we implemented that system.
The alternate could be much worse. You could have statutory rape incidences in which the rapist claims the minor said she was old enough degrading the case to a "he said/ she said" conundrum. It could end up being a loophole exploited.
Oh well... it is what it is. Just check their IDs if she looks too young... If she is old enough, then hopefully she will be flattered. I wouldn't even go out with a minor; while she may not be held accountable for agreements... if she claims statutory rape, the authorities will definitely listen.. and her word will sound far more damaging than your defense. The mere perception of a legal adult going out with a minor can be trouble....
Easier said then done.
I am talking from the perspective of a being a teen age girl that did look older.
I kid you not by the time I was 13 I was DDD and fully shaped like adult female easily past 19. I remember being at the beach once with my cousin and my aunt and this guy that had to at least be in his 30s approached and started to ask for my number ( that whole situation) ... my aunt who was a few feet away over heard what was going on and came over started tell him off saying stuff like how dare you she is just a 13 I should call the police. That poor guy turned green and his jaw drooped. He kept saying sorry to my and my aunt saying she does not look 13 ... I though you were at least in her 20s. I was so embarrassed (I was turning bright red).
Being fair I did look older. This also helped me get a few jobs too. I have accidently got a few guys in trouble too... but once they realized how old I was they usually backed off and a few times I actually asked see their IDs to make sure they were not way older then me and just pretending to be teenagers.
I'd find that hard to believe. First off, if you're caught using a fake ID to buy alcohol, enter a bar, etc. You can/will definitely get in trouble.
I think there needs to do some accountability on the underage person that lies. I question if they should be counter sued for fraud. It is one thing if a person knows the person is underage... but if they out right lie... then I think there needs to be outright consequences. Otherwise like this kids they will do it again. I also have to really wonder about this parents. Something is wrong with this kid. I really got to wonder if she has some sort of psychiatric issues. This not normal behaviour.
I am not saying this is the case... but when I was in my early tends like 13 or so there was this girl that I meet that was friends with my cousin and she was dress really really sexually for someone who was 12 ( micro mini skirts, 6 in heels, tube tubes tops, padded brad, bright red lipstick, heavy make up and fake nails ... it was really really odd for someone that age. She was also apparently sexually active too. Years later it was pretty much figured out that she was being sexually molested by her dad. I am not saying this is the case with this girl... but this story really reminds me of this situation. Someone that young being overtly sexually involved especially with an interest in older men sets red flags off for me.
So I finally found something good about being a senior. I am very unlikely to have to worry that the girl I am dating is a minor. But did she still lie about her age? And do I really care. At this point the women who are likely to date me are going to fall into one of three categories. Old, really old, and dust.
Young men and young women do stupid things and sometimes only learn the hard way.
I have a solution to a lot of problems. We implant a readable device in everyone's pinky finger and anyone can scan it and find out your true age, marital status, health, credit, financial reports, address, phone number, email, last 500 posts on all websites, list of websites you frequent, voting record, and people you have interacted with so we can ask them if you are crazy?
Or, if you are not ready for this invasion of your privacy, how about we just be honest about things?
I'd find that hard to believe. First off, if you're caught using a fake ID to buy alcohol, enter a bar, etc. You can/will definitely get in trouble.
Some bars don't check id at the door.. but rather when you buy alcohol. The girls then get someone else to buy alcohol. So a girl at a bar drinking alcohol isn't an necessarily an indication of age. Nor is using a fake ID to get in to a bar and purchasing an alcohol a defense in a statutory rape case.
So I finally found something good about being a senior. I am very unlikely to have to worry that the girl I am dating is a minor. But did she still lie about her age? And do I really care. At this point the women who are likely to date me are going to fall into one of three categories. Old, really old, and dust.
Young men and young women do stupid things and sometimes only learn the hard way.
I have a solution to a lot of problems. We implant a readable device in everyone's pinky finger and anyone can scan it and find out your true age, marital status, health, credit, financial reports, address, phone number, email, last 500 posts on all websites, list of websites you frequent, voting record, and people you have interacted with so we can ask them if you are crazy?
Or, if you are not ready for this invasion of your privacy, how about we just be honest about things?
That is the thing ... if someone is going out of the way to lie about something like that especially at that age something it up. That is not normal behaviour for someone. Instead of playing video games and dolls she is creating web pages to catfish older men ? Maybe her parents might thing of putting her in an after school program or taking her to a psychiatrist after the 1st time she seduced an older man! Also it seems like the parents knew she was going out with these guys.... this entire situations seems like child services needs to get involved.
I can seem someone 17 or 18 bumping their age up a little ... but this is a 13 year old trying to play 19 to get involved with adult men ... wow!!!
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or taking her to a psychiatrist after the 1st time she seduced an older man! Also it seems like the parents knew she was going out with these guys.... this entire situations seems like child services needs to get involved.
