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I think people are expanding the term "independent" to mean a whole host of things, many of which are unrelated.
Example: a woman can be financially independent, but that has little to do with how "clingy" she is on the couch in front of the TV. A woman can have her own opinions, all do, even if it's "I don't care about that." That alone, does not define her as independent. By virtue of her not being you, she is "independent" from you. Understand?
As for men saying that they want an independent woman, but going in the other direction in practice, both genders engage in platitudes they don't follow. How many comics out there are getting laid right now, given how many women say they want a man with a sense of humor? Exactly.
Bottom line, and most importantly: if you're a rich man, do not marry some hot, hired gun, of a bartender, who is not financially sound. She will take half your stuff on the way out. That is all.
I dont believe .. there is truly any totally independent person any where... sooner or later.. more times sooner.. everyone.. be it male or female need a little help somewhere... if some chest puffing dude is telling you he is totally independent .. he is feeding you horse manure... somewhere in his life.. he needed someone to help him out with something...
needing or wanting an independent woman is good.. but as has been said on here already... there are no truly 100% independent people anywhere. Sure there are people who live on their own, pay their own bills, yadda yadda yadda, but somewhere along the way.. they need someone to talk to to listen to their sob stories.. get them out of a rut.. or just be with.
Even those hard core (I dont need anyone to help me) type of people need someone sooner or later.
Having a woman that is independent, defining it my way, is nice. It is nice to be pampered instead of being the one pampering. I for one would not feel scared of a woman who made more money then I did.. or who was self sufficient. As long as you and her can get along and are able to communicate.. who gives a flying flip? In the long run it makes the union that much better and easier to live life.
The truth of the matter is.. there are males out there that have egos bigger then the empire state building... that .. my friends is where it is... and that is what causes the problems.
(oh and there are women out there with the same problem... just not as many)
Just a couple quick questions for the guys out there. Do you like it when a woman is independent? she has a job, a car, a home, dresses nice, carries herself with style and class? She travels by herself?
Do you feel intimidated? Do you think it's attractive and you want to get to know her better?
Do you feel "oh she doesn't need a man", etc, etc?
Just curious! Thanks!
I've come to the conclusion that the answer to this question depends on which he has. If his wife is independent, he seems to want her to be dependent. If she's dependent, he seems to want her to be independent. My experience is men seem to want what they don't have here. Definitely a case of "grass is greener" syndrome.
Just a couple quick questions for the guys out there. Do you like it when a woman is independent? she has a job, a car, a home, dresses nice, carries herself with style and class? She travels by herself?
Do you feel intimidated? Do you think it's attractive and you want to get to know her better?
Do you feel "oh she doesn't need a man", etc, etc?
Just curious! Thanks!
I find independent women to be one of the most attractive types out there! The strong and independent women do scare a lot guys though, but not this one! Wouldn't have it any other way.
When you say independent women are speaking in terms of being self sufficient and being a responsible adult? It that's what you're conveying than sure, I like women like that.
But I don't like women that scream "I am a independent women" at the top of their lungs. Often times when I hear women use that phrase, they're usualy saying something unpleasant about men.
I think that phrase is a modern day phrase moreso than anything. I don't hear to many women out of my mom and grandmothers generation use the phrase. I don't know if that's a good thing or what. But Their marriages lasted longer as well........
Also, having material things (car,home, clothes) is by far what I would look at when selecting a mate. It certainly does not classify her as being "independent".
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Originally Posted by sportsfangal
Just a couple quick questions for the guys out there. Do you like it when a woman is independent? she has a job, a car, a home, dresses nice, carries herself with style and class? She travels by herself?
Do you feel intimidated? Do you think it's attractive and you want to get to know her better?
Do you feel "oh she doesn't need a man", etc, etc?
Waneroo and Driller1: I guess I have to be completely specific for the denser ones in the crowd. Of course traveling for work is necessary and your mate should trust you when you do so (and if they can't then they shouldn't be with you). What I was referring to was traveling alone FOR LEISURE.
I'm too self reliant to have other people helping me...I LIKE going it alone.
what exactly is "it"??? Because, to me, there are two "it"'s.....the first "it" would be things that I am responsible for in my own life as well as my daughters.....the second "it" would be life......if not wanting to go through life alone makes me dependent than I guess I am.....and very much so. However, my definition of indepedent is somone who is strong in their beliefs, strong in their will, doesn't conform, doesn't take advantage of anyone plus any and everything else that has to do with taking care of their own stuff....managing their own life....not asking for things they can do themselves......etc...
My best friend/brother's Fiance' lost her father in a car accident 3 weeks ago....She has always been the type of person that I would consider to be extremely independent....when she faced this tragic situation she needed us....the people who love her.....I don't think any less of her indepdence....and anyone who would is just sorry....
When you say independent women are speaking in terms of being self sufficient and being a responsible adult? It that's what you're conveying than sure, I like women like that.
But I don't like women that scream "I am a independent women" at the top of their lungs. Often times when I hear women use that phrase, they're usualy saying something unpleasant about men.
I think that phrase is a modern day phrase moreso than anything. I don't hear to many women out of my mom and grandmothers generation use the phrase. I don't know if that's a good thing or what. But Their marriages lasted longer as well........
Also, having material things (car,home, clothes) is by far what I would look at when selecting a mate. It certainly does not classify her as being "independent".
donchya mean bra burning, hippy tree huggers???
hahahaha
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The strong and independent women do scare a lot guys though, but not this one! Wouldn't have it any other way.
