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Old 02-09-2009, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes, I do not believe an 11 year old is mature enough to consent to anything but I do not believe a 14 year old is either...the whole thing is sad.
Mrstewart, when I was 14, I was a sophomore in high school. A 14 year old is way past an 11 year old in most cases in terms of logic, reasoning, and ability to conset.
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Old 02-09-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Wyoming
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Fine, but the fact still is that these girls were several grades younger than this boy....
The article said the girls were all two years behind the boy in school -- 7th graders. It happened between August and October 2007, so the 11-year-old was probably about to turn 12. I was 11 when I started 7th grade -- turned 12 in October. I was the youngest in my class.

"There are three victims in this case who are two to three years younger and two grade levels behind the juvenile,'' Cruz said in the statement.


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If I read the story correctly, I understood the author to infer the boy had been having relations with the girls but I do not recall at the same time...I could be wrong, though...
"None of the complainants reported being afraid of the boy's behavior, Chief Justice Margaret Marshall wrote for the majority. Indeed, sexual behavior seemed to melt seamlessly into games of 'manhunt,' 'truth or dare,' and 'making out.' Some of it occurred with more than one complainant present."

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Old 02-09-2009, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Mrstewart, when I was 14, I was a sophomore in high school. A 14 year old is way past an 11 year old in most cases in terms of logic, reasoning, and ability to conset.
I was in the 8th grade when I was 14. I wasn't held back or anything. I don't see how you could be a sophomore in high school at 14 unless you skipped at least one grade.....that would imply that you were more logical and had more ability to reason than the average 14 yo.

While I do think the average 14 year old is more mature than the average 11 year old (WAY more mature) and that what the boy did was inappropriate, I really can't decide whether or not I think he should be charged with a crime. Of course, I do believe that the girls should NOT be charged.
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Old 02-09-2009, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No grade skipping. Started kindergarten at 4. That's just one year. 14 and 11...that really is far, far apart. It's not like 14 and 17.
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Old 02-09-2009, 09:09 AM
 
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No grade skipping. Started kindergarten at 4. That's just one year. 14 and 11...that really is far, far apart. It's not like 14 and 17.
I'm not sure what state you grew up in (though I see you live in Texas now...which is where I grew up) or how old you are but in Texas the cutoff is September 1st. The kid has to be at least 5 by September 1st to even get into kindergarten.

Not doubting you....but a 4 year old in kindergarten just seems odd to me.

And 14 and 17 is a BIG difference btw.
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Old 02-09-2009, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Went to a private international school - tested to get in at 4. No big challenge. Went to and graduated high school in Texas - our valedict. and salut. were both younger than I was.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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The article said the girls were all two years behind the boy in school -- 7th graders. It happened between August and October 2007, so the 11-year-old was probably about to turn 12. I was 11 when I started 7th grade -- turned 12 in October. I was the youngest in my class.

"There are three victims in this case who are two to three years younger and two grade levels behind the juvenile,'' Cruz said in the statement.




"None of the complainants reported being afraid of the boy's behavior, Chief Justice Margaret Marshall wrote for the majority. Indeed, sexual behavior seemed to melt seamlessly into games of 'manhunt,' 'truth or dare,' and 'making out.' Some of it occurred with more than one complainant present."
Wow! See, I told ya' I was not sure if I read it correctly...thanks for posting.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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Mrstewart, when I was 14, I was a sophomore in high school. A 14 year old is way past an 11 year old in most cases in terms of logic, reasoning, and ability to conset.
If you reread my post I state that the age ranges we are talking about have developed impulse control and neither should be treated as an adult in this situation... I did not say 11 and 14 were in any way within close proximity developmentally.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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If you reread my post I state that the age ranges we are talking about have developed impulse control and neither should be treated as an adult in this situation... I did not say 11 and 14 were in any way within close proximity developmentally.
Yes but honestly impulse control is not fully developed until the age of 24 or 25....at least that's what the latest studies show.

I DO agree with you. But, not having impulse control is not really a complete excuse for doing something wrong.

Oh...and I understand you didn't intend any malice when you asked for the link in regards to my other post.
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Old 02-09-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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Yes but honestly impulse control is not fully developed until the age of 24 or 25....at least that's what the latest studies show.

I DO agree with you. But, not having impulse control is not really a complete excuse for doing something wrong.
I know it is not an excuse and believe me I do not excuse it. They are still children with the minds and development of a child and should be treated accordingly.
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