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Old 02-10-2009, 02:30 AM
 
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...ok., I had this big ass eloquent response typed out, hit the wrong button, and it bloody dissapeared. Im pissed, so here are the abridged yet salient points. Anyone who hasnt, read this article cited in page two of this thread
Rethinking the age of sexual consent. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine
Our age of consent laws as they stand are extremely new, and contrary to the entirity of human history, across the globe. Im taking a highly objective stand here, because Im among the most traditional of the posters ITT when it comes to my own neice, who is 13 and looks 19. And I'd most likely destroy anyone who touched her (for the devoute traditionalists ITT).
Seperating my personal feelings on the matter though, a previous poster (took me 10 minutes to find the damn post last time, sorry not doing it again) linked to a site talking stats about how 1/3 of people are cognizant to some degree pertaining to their age bracket. My friends, I know people in their 50's that by that standard, would fall somewhere around the mid school demograhic.
...blah,Im sorry guys, I had much more quality points made in the one I lost. *sigh*
Mainly I guess Im trying to point out that our culture is in love with the concept of victimization, and eagerly apply that destructive title to anything the crosses their individual understanding of "morality". The age laws are great, providing we understand the real purpose is to protect youthful innocence and niavete from an adults ability to decieve and coerce, but not to hinder young peoples' development as a human being, of which sexuality is an inseperable aspect.
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Old 02-10-2009, 08:47 AM
 
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...ok., I had this big ass eloquent response typed out, hit the wrong button, and it bloody dissapeared. Im pissed, so here are the abridged yet salient points. Anyone who hasnt, read this article cited in page two of this thread
Rethinking the age of sexual consent. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine
Our age of consent laws as they stand are extremely new, and contrary to the entirity of human history, across the globe. Im taking a highly objective stand here, because Im among the most traditional of the posters ITT when it comes to my own neice, who is 13 and looks 19. And I'd most likely destroy anyone who touched her (for the devoute traditionalists ITT).
Seperating my personal feelings on the matter though, a previous poster (took me 10 minutes to find the damn post last time, sorry not doing it again) linked to a site talking stats about how 1/3 of people are cognizant to some degree pertaining to their age bracket. My friends, I know people in their 50's that by that standard, would fall somewhere around the mid school demograhic.
...blah,Im sorry guys, I had much more quality points made in the one I lost. *sigh*
Mainly I guess Im trying to point out that our culture is in love with the concept of victimization, and eagerly apply that destructive title to anything the crosses their individual understanding of "morality". The age laws are great, providing we understand the real purpose is to protect youthful innocence and niavete from an adults ability to decieve and coerce, but not to hinder young peoples' development as a human being, of which sexuality is an inseperable aspect.
I agree that our culture is in love with the concept of "victimization" especially when it comes to sex offenders and that this goes along with a "paranoia" and "obsession" related to sex offenders. I don't think we should be SO focused on sex offenders because there are TONS of other bad things that can happen to kids too.

BUT, these kids are NOT mature enough and capable enough to understand sex or understand what "consent" means. Sexuality may be an important part of development...but sex is NOT something that teenagers need to be involved in.

And one of these kids is only 11. An 11 year old isn't even a teenager yet.
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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Default Parents Warn your kids, teens and young adults!!

Parents, warn your children, teens and young adults!! What you may think is normal underage and developmental consensual sexual exploration and learning, which historically was left to parents to correct and teach, is currently grounds for very serious felony sex offender convictions, registration as a sex offender for life as young as 14, and forced sex offender "treatment"!! And these cases are relentlessly prosecuted despite insane judicial outcomes, ruined lives of innocent boys, teens and young men, and ruined families of these innocent boys/teens/men.

I am not condoning sexual promiscuity, and I want our children protected from violent and sexually dangerous persons. But current and pending sex offender legislation and laws must be changed so that they can only be used to prosecute violent and sexually dangerous persons.

Readers, you may find this difficult to believe, I did at first, but there are kids as young as 10 on the sex offender registry for “playing doctor” no violence involved. Kids as young as 12 for pinching another kid on the butt just joking around, and a long list of teens and young men for “consensual sexual activity” as a result of girls who lied about their age and sought out sexual activity. And men for public urination on the golf course.

What was once normal sexual exploration is now grounds for “life time registration as a sex offender” as young as 14 both boys and girls. And Government sanctioned Sex Offender "Treatment" Programs are barbaric and abusive!! These programs include the use of:

Plethysmographs - a metalized ring is strapped around a “male” juvenile’s genitals (there is no such devise for females) and they are forced to listen to/watch pornography including deviant sexual activity such as violent rape! This barbaric and abusive device and recordings are designed to measure any signs of arousal and the juvenile is then forced to try and masturbate afterwards.

Masturbatory Satiation – juvenile males as young as 12 are forced to masturbate over and over and over while listening to/viewing pornographic images/recordings, including deviant sexual activity such as violent rape.

Arousal Reconditioning – Originally developed in the early to mid-1900s to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals. Attempts to eliminate sexual feelings by pairing them with boredom, pain, or unpleasantness. In effect, assumes that sexuality can be changed through “punishment” such as electric shock therapy.[/font]

The current legislation, although very well intended, has seriously failed the true victims of violent sexual assault crimes and their families! And, it has resulted in what I believe were unintended consequences for potentially >95% of all youth and young adults who statistically could be convicted as sex offenders.

Please, join in the growing effort to immediately bring an end to this insanity before an entire generation is lost and registered as sex offenders.

Legislators, please begin immediate changes to legislation to stop this insanity!
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:59 AM
 
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Where does the reporter state the boy will be a registered sex offender the rest of his life? The article states he MAY have to REGISTER as a sex offender, but it does not say for the rest of his life...

BTW, I agree there is a terrible double standard here and Massachusetts should have a Romeo and Juliet law.
Adam Walsh Act "Requires" life time registration if the alledged victim is under 12 regardless of the age of the accused. In this case the boy would be registed for life under AWA if convicted of even one of the nine felony charges.

I am not condoning sexual promiscuity, but stop and think for a moment; lifetime registration as a "Level 3" sex offender at age 14 for playing Truth or Dare! I sincerely hope that this is not the intent of legislators and our judicial system!
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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I'm all for prosecuting the YOUNG MAN! By 14 you know better. An 11 year old girl is way too young to consent. There is no such thing. The difference of a 14 year old and an 11 year old is enormous! By 14 you have a pretty good idea of your sexuality and moral applied to it. At 11, you are clueless and innocent.

I think the 14 year old should face charges.
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Old 11-07-2009, 11:22 AM
 
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Default This is a matter for Parenting not Prosecution!

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I'm all for prosecuting the YOUNG MAN! By 14 you know better. An 11 year old girl is way too young to consent. There is no such thing. The difference of a 14 year old and an 11 year old is enormous! By 14 you have a pretty good idea of your sexuality and moral applied to it. At 11, you are clueless and innocent.

I think the 14 year old should face charges.
None of the kids in this case should be prosecuted. Mutually consensual sexual activity where all parties are under the legal age of consent is a matter for “parenting”, not “prosecution”.

No Offense to your comments, but studies of early childhood development and adolescent psychology do not support that by age 14 kids "have a pretty good idea of sexuality and moral applied to it." To the contrary, studies show that the human brain is still developing throughout childhood, adolescence and into early adulthood, especially those areas related to sexuality and more so morality.

Regardless of mental, psychological and sexual maturation, the Massachusetts laws are clear that NO ONE; male or female, “under the age of 16” can consent to sexual activity.

The boy in this case was only 14 and therefore, regardless of their age, the girls in this case could be charged by their own admission of felony statutory sex crimes for the acts they committed against this minor boy. Read the Massachusetts statutes; there is no reference to “gender difference” or “age difference”, only that any person who engages in sexual activity with any person “UNDER THE AGE OF 16” can be charged with the felony crime of statutory rape and face punishment of imprisonment up to life for the first offense.

In my opinion the above outcome is an insane judicial result; underage kids being victims and being charged as a perpetrator. The rational approach by the DA in this case should have been not to charge any of these underage kids.

To charge only the boy under the Massachusetts statute clearly suggests a discriminatory application of the laws in this case.
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