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My SO and I didn't really "date" when we first started seeing each other (met through mutual friends and just hung out, went for walks, but not much I'd really call a date until after we'd been together a little while). After we first started seeing each other though, I think it was about a month or so before he finally made the move and kissed me (I'd been dropping somewhat obvious hints for at least a week beforehand though).
I've always tried to make it obvious to guys that I don't kiss on the first date (and by "obvious" I mean I'd tell them flat out).
So how would a guy know whether a girl wanted him to kiss her or make any sort of advances?
Short answer: you don't. Apparently there are ways that women show that they are interested in a kiss, such as talking by the car endlessly with no sign that they want to leave, looking at your lips, that sort of thing. My 'rule' is that you never kiss a woman unless she knows you are about to kiss her, and typically to show her I'm interested I either hold her hand or give her a long hug with no intention of stopping, then looking at her face. It's a good method either way, being told she doesn't want to hold hands is a relatively painless way of being rejected, going in for a kiss and them reacting badly, well that's why I use the hand holding method.
I much prefer being friends first, I've gone from friends to lovers 3 times, it's much better in my experience in terms of compatibility, trust, and acceptance. Surprisingly, of those 3 relationships, 2 of them kissed me first.
Asking whether you can kiss a woman is a big, big no-no. There was an episode of Cheers when Diane had this big tirade about how guys shouldn't do that, alas it hasn't stuck with the male psyche.
He kissed me on the cheeks as he left after our first date and our proper kiss was on our 3rd date, in an Oxford graveyeard at night ( a very nice graveyard where some of my favourite authors are burried - not creepy in case people are wondering ).
It was freezing , the mists were swirling around us and we sat on a bench ( it is a very good place for Wildlife too, especially at night) , he dropped to his knees, took one of my hands in his , put his other one around my waist and gave me the best kiss ever ! I was completely swept off my feet and the rest is history. 20 years on and still very much in Love.
Short answer: you don't. Apparently there are ways that women show that they are interested in a kiss, such as talking by the car endlessly with no sign that they want to leave, looking at your lips, that sort of thing. My 'rule' is that you never kiss a woman unless she knows you are about to kiss her, and typically to show her I'm interested I either hold her hand or give her a long hug with no intention of stopping, then looking at her face. It's a good method either way, being told she doesn't want to hold hands is a relatively painless way of being rejected, going in for a kiss and them reacting badly, well that's why I use the hand holding method.
I much prefer being friends first, I've gone from friends to lovers 3 times, it's much better in my experience in terms of compatibility, trust, and acceptance. Surprisingly, of those 3 relationships, 2 of them kissed me first.
In my experience, if you're friends, you stay there. Nothing worse than the friend zone for a guy.
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