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Old 01-13-2010, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Houston
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It just seems like more and more people are miserable.Every married person or person in a relationship that I know is unhappy and they tell me don't get married and have kids it ruins everything. Or "men suck, they are pig, dogs" or "women are too independant, they need to get back to the kitchen". Everyone is always getting divorces, its like you're bound to fail if you marry. I remember there was a time that people stayed married for life now, people have 48 hour marriages.

I glad that feminism allowed me to work, get an education, vote, and gave me abortion rights but I never asked for it to make everything equal! I hate "going Dutch" or paying for dates and meals for a man, I believe that a man is suppose to pay for dinner and dates, I would only pay for a guy unless it's his b-day, graudation, he got a promotion or a raise. I miss men being MEN! Holding doors, taking charge, being the leader, being go getters. There is nothing more sexier than a dominant Alpha male.

I don't 'serve a man' just because it tells me to in the Bible. I serve a man out of respect to him. I serve a man out of love for him. I serve a man out of a loyalty to him.I like the view from atop my pedestal and see no reason to come down.If you enjoy your feminism, then more power to you. Just don't take away my right to not be a feminist.

 
Old 01-13-2010, 05:39 PM
 
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I think feminism, or maybe equal rights has had a negative effect on marriage, because women are more willing and able to split. The real downside to this however has been that too many kids have been raised by strangers. I don't know what we could have done differently. Because everybody should have the same opportunities, the same pay, the same rights as everyone else. It could be that marriage itself is the culprit; that and an economic environment that makes raising a family on one income very difficult.
 
Old 01-13-2010, 05:46 PM
 
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There is nothing "dominanat" about men being chivalrous or independent. I ALWAYS pay for my dinner dates, hold doors open for them, am a leader type, and am a school/career type person...but, I am FAR from being the alpha male, dominant type. To me that has nothing to do with dominance. When I think the dominant alpha type, I think the "Shut up and get in the kitchen, woman, and get me a beer" type of guy.
 
Old 01-13-2010, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, TN
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Old 01-13-2010, 05:51 PM
 
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Let's take a brief look at the United States before the feminist movement of the late 60's and early 70's. More children were raised in a two-parent household, there was less violence in the schools, divorce was a rarity, men were not being financially torn apart in divorce courts, men were not avoiding commitment like the plague, quality day-care was not a serious issue, and there was less pre-marital cohabitation. I suppose I display some bias due to being raised by an independent feminist mother who came out of an abusive relationship.
 
Old 01-13-2010, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, The World!
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Feminism is old hat. We are dealing with the pornification of everyday life. Materialism. Violence. Revolting bodies and bodies in revolt... Obesity, eating disorders, plastic surgery. This is the backlash AGAINST feminism. Pole dancing, sexting, bullying, violent computer games, child pornography, global warming, diminishing natural resources, carbon emissions, terrorism, Iraq, 9/11, Afghanistan.... What little issues are you blaming women for?
 
Old 01-13-2010, 06:06 PM
 
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Let's take a brief look at the United States before the feminist movement of the late 60's and early 70's. More children were raised in a two-parent household, there was less violence in the schools, divorce was a rarity, men were not being financially torn apart in divorce courts, men were not avoiding commitment like the plague, quality day-care was not a serious issue, and there was less pre-marital cohabitation. I suppose I display some bias due to being raised by an independent feminist mother who came out of an abusive relationship.
Agreed. And I wonder if it's just a coincidence that at the same time that women went to work outside the home that RE prices doubled, tripled and so on. If most families did not have two incomes that never could have happened. Now we are stuck with the prices (even the bust that we've just been through and the one that's due this year hasn't righted that wrong, and we come to find out that guess what? Kids like it when there's a mom or a dad even waiting for them after school. As I say, I don't know what the answer is, because mothers that want to work outside the home should get the same pay as the fathers. As far as how feminism has effected dating, however, to me it's been nothing but a plus. I love a woman with some independence.
 
Old 01-13-2010, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Kuwait City, Kuwait.
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I like the view from atop my pedestal and see no reason to come down.If you enjoy your feminism, then more power to you. Just don't take away my right to not be a feminist.
So basically you want a slave who can put you on a pedestal and serve you and kiss your feet? You don't want an equal partner. You don't want to pull your weight in any shape of form.

A man is not obligated to pay a penny for you. If he does it, he does it cos he cares. Not because "he is supposed to". If that's the case, what are you "supposed to do"? Stay in the kitchen, serve food for your man, clean and cook? No, I thought so.

Night'
 
Old 01-13-2010, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Houston
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So basically you want a slave who can put you on a pedestal and serve you and kiss your feet? You don't want an equal partner. You don't want to pull your weight in any shape of form.

A man is not obligated to pay a penny for you. If he does it, he does it cos he cares. Not because "he is supposed to". If that's the case, what are you "supposed to do"? Stay in the kitchen, serve food for your man, clean and cook? No, I thought so.

Night'
I never said that I wanted a slave. I want a man who will provide for me and treat me like the queen I am. Men are suppose to be the providers and the breadwinners. I said that I didn't mind serving a man, thats what a woman is suppose to do cook, clean and please her man.
 
Old 01-13-2010, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Kuwait City, Kuwait.
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For a 19 year old, it's quite unbelievable that you got some severely outdated views on marriage/relationships.
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