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Old 03-10-2010, 08:41 PM
 
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Fair enough, it's still speculative though as to how you interpret the data.

And most women say that they don't consider money that important as long as men can make ends meet (or so I am told). Except for the occasional golddiggers of course
Hi Llewelyn,

Its hardly speculation unless you confine it to this interaction. You infer that the data is relevant to the wage gap. Its weak. Its well known men start families when they have financial security and women tend to marry them. Women marry them more often when they don't have money. No need to delay for a career they don't have.

The career female side of this can be seen on Opera.
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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Alright, alright. My mistake. Ignore what I said.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:00 PM
 
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Hi Llewelyn,

Its hardly speculation unless you confine it to this interaction. You infer that the data is relevant to the wage gap. Its weak. Its well known men start families when they have financial security and women tend to marry them. Women marry them more often when they don't have money. No need to delay for a career they don't have.

The career female side of this can be seen on Opera.
This doesn't make sense to me unless we employ class dependence. Even then, it's elusive. While using the term 'family' may be inappropriate on my part here, it's well known that that the impoverished breed at greater rates. So, if we decide to refer to this as the creation of families, these many men, perhaps the majority, are starting families without financial security. It's also understood that classes tend to mix with their own. The idea of the financially secure career driven male hooking up with a woman outside his class doesn't seem to be all that common. In reality, it's likely that likes (financially and otherwise) are doing their business in their own back yards.

With that in mind, and while it may have not been Llewelyn's point, Llewelyn is on point. 'night all!
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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This doesn't make sense to me unless we employ class dependence. Even then, it's elusive. While using the term 'family' may be inappropriate on my part here, it's well known that that the impoverished breed at greater rates. So, if we decide to refer to this as the creation of families, these many men, perhaps the majority, are starting families without financial security. It's also understood that classes tend to mix with their own. The idea of the financially secure career driven male hooking up with a woman outside his class doesn't seem to be all that common. In reality, it's likely that likes (financially and otherwise) are doing their business in their own back yards.

With that in mind, and while it may have not been Llewelyn's point, Llewelyn is on point. 'night all!


Hi Brauwn,

Nope. I'm right, not that it is anything new.

Married men earn a third more than single blokes | The Daily Telegraph

Marriage and Earnings: Why Do Married Men Earn More than Single Men? -- Pollmann-Schult, 10.1093/esr/jcp065 -- European Sociological Review

Studying single men and women is specifically mining for a demographic which correlates with male unattractiveness and viability as well as the fall out of female status seeking, selective behavior.


Good Night.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:14 PM
 
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This isn't something that I've looking into so maybe you could elaborate on that. Are you talking about just getting into the armed forces in the first place or are you saying that there are specific requirements for men are women who perform exactly the same task but women have a separate set of requirements than the men? If that's what you're saying do you also happen to have a link to any source of information that could confirm what you're saying? Thanks.
In the Air Force men have to do x push-ups, crunches, get points for various abdominal circumferences, and points for various times on their 1.5 mile run. Women do < x for push-ups, crunches, and get longer durations during the run for points men would have to get faster times for. The abdominal thing is actually understandable for why the point spreads are slightly different though since male and female bodies are actually *gasp* different. But the point is that we're not held to the same standard, which if we're supposed to be doing the same jobs, and the fitness tests are to gauge our fitness to perform said jobs, then our standards should be identical. Anything less is sexism. After all if the lower standards women are held to are good enough to get the job done then why are the men expected to do more? Hmm??? The sexism inherent in the tests is evident by the mere fact males and females are held to different standard.

Members have to meet certain marks in each area as well as having a minimum combined score of 75 in order to pass. Here's the standards in black and white (scores begin on page 69):

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/AFI10-248.pdf (broken link)

Just looking at that youngest age bracket and what it would take to max out the test's points, women have a full 90 seconds of extra time on the run and can do 20 less push-ups and 4 less crunches to get the same points a man would get.

Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe all the services are like this in holding women to a less strenuous standard.



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Hi Avienne,

Since we agree, we can all question our sanity.

Single mothers on state benefits make 'lifestyle choice' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/7309419/Single-mothers-on-state-benefits-make-lifestyle-choice.html - broken link)
This is what anti-suffragists were afraid would happen. And yes, the US is well on its way to follow suit with the UK on this kind of socialism. Goes right back to the elimination of fathers from families and taxpayers picking up the slack. Nanny govt here we come! The historical trends are clear: When women get the vote socialism increases. What usually happens thereafter is economic collapse, social implosion (due to stagnation or declination of birth rates), and ultimately the whole system gets plowed under as more vibrant and structrually intact cultures take over. Western society is already beginning to crumble and I suspect it will be supplanted over the long term by Muslim and Latin American cultures. Just look at the birth rates by religions. Christian nations are shrinking and Muslim nations are growing. Scale it up over 50-100 years and your grand daughters will be succumbing to harems. It's already happening in small doses right now. The alternatives will be sperm banks and raising kids on their own, if they even have kids. When the system implodes there won't be all these social programs to support them. They'll have to be saddled up with a man in order to be provided for when they leave the workforce. That's where this is all heading.

Those that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it and I suspect that's why these trends are cyclical.

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Old 03-10-2010, 11:06 PM
 
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Actually it was "A very aggressive women who succeeds in domesticating her mate often learns to despise him.
If any woman ever tried domesticating/emasculate me I would break every teeth in her mouth. I am not one of those spineless pansey men who need their woman's permission just to use the bathroom. I am not going to be no push over for women to step all over. That is why I could never date a feminist. Because feminists try to act like they are the alphamale of the household, and I do not tolerate that crap.
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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You know something? I've never even SEEN my job description. You can either do the job required of you, or you can't. Technically, some items are supposed to be a 2-person lift, but it doesn't work that way in practice. For all I know, the job description makes no specific requirement on what amount of weight one should be able to lift.
Ask for it. And if ability to lift isn't in it then your lazy co-worker is qualified. Not fair, but true

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Military physical fitness specifications are different for women and men.
I have heard and my ex swears up and down that for the Air Force they are different, but the Marine Corps it is the same. And according to the ex, the AF lets any loser pass if they have the right skills, especially if they have a background in cryptography/cryptoanalysis or medicine. He's biased, though, since he is a former Marine, and believes it to be a 100% egalitarian organization and strongly dislikes the AF
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:42 AM
 
Location: southern california
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bait and switch you see this beautiful creature and so want to spend you life with her but instead spend it with her lawyer.
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Old 03-11-2010, 01:18 AM
 
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bait and switch you see this beautiful creature and so want to spend you life with her but instead spend it with her lawyer.
No! You mean "on her lawyer"
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Old 03-11-2010, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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This doesn't make sense to me unless we employ class dependence. Even then, it's elusive. While using the term 'family' may be inappropriate on my part here, it's well known that that the impoverished breed at greater rates. So, if we decide to refer to this as the creation of families, these many men, perhaps the majority, are starting families without financial security. It's also understood that classes tend to mix with their own. The idea of the financially secure career driven male hooking up with a woman outside his class doesn't seem to be all that common. In reality, it's likely that likes (financially and otherwise) are doing their business in their own back yards.

With that in mind, and while it may have not been Llewelyn's point, Llewelyn is on point. 'night all!
At greater rates, and a younger age. Some people marry right out of high school. Some wait until after college. If a man is going to marry, it's pretty rare that he's going to wait until he is 40 years old and established in a career.
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