Would You Date Or Marry Someone Struggling To Make Ends Meet In An Artistic Occupation? (men, lover)

[Ticatica]

I've read a lot of books about the music business and most say emphatically to never forget the word "business". That's 90% of it. Look at Lady Gaga. I love her madly but she's got 10% talent and 90% business sense! That's the key. It's astounding how little bands make gigging locally--until they get better promotion and management. Next thing you know they've blown up to playing stadiums.

[MontanaGuy]

Ticatica wrote:

I've read a lot of books about the music business and most say emphatically to never forget the word "business". That's 90% of it. Look at Lady Gaga. I love her madly but she's got 10% talent and 90% business sense! That's the key. It's astounding how little bands make gigging locally--until they get better promotion and management. Next thing you know they've blown up to playing stadiums.

I saw a video the other day of Lady gaga playing the piano and singing and I was surprised at how good she really is because I had the impression she was all show but now I think she does have talent but I agree that she's obviously got some business and marketing smarts.
When I played in bands I did manage to stay booked steadily but there was alot of travel involved and we were based in Missoula, Montana so we were always driving long distances. Our booking agency was started by a bartender who used to work at a club I played at and a drummer I've known a long time. They were incredibly successful and now operate one of the largest agencies in the country and are based in Las Vegas. They both became very wealthy and have a natural knack for business. It's nice to see people you know do that well in life.

[Braunwyn]

Originally Posted by Morphous01

I just want to point out there is a double standard to this topic, in that, a unemployed female artist would most likely have the luxury to get help from her BF, husband, or even her daddy. Part of the reason why is that an unemployed female is looked at differently then an unemployed man.

For example, I had a friend who put in extra hours at work just so his girl friend could quit her job and go to school full time to study fashion. Or another set up I have seen is women who have their own business but it's kept alive from her husbands funds.

So in other words, a male is more likely to support a woman as she sees her endeavors through, and because of this, I think that's why when guys do make it, some of them become resentful towards women.

Not ime, Morphous. As you know, my dh does not work/FT student. I do the daily horrific grind. Two of my girl friends have similar situations. One is a desk top publisher. She owns her own business and supports her family (dh and two kids) 100% on that income. My other bf is a F/T inner city school teacher. She has some money in the bank from grandma's will, but she keeps her job for the insurance and not to touch their savings. Her dh has been trying to get his producing business off the ground for two years now. They're both excellent writers, poets, but she's making the sacrifice so he can realize his dreams. Women supporting men to get ahead is not all that uncommon.

[gwynedd1]

Originally Posted by Braunwyn

Not ime, Morphous. As you know, my dh does not work/FT student. I do the daily horrific grind. Two of my girl friends have similar situations. One is a desk top publisher. She owns her own business and supports her family (dh and two kids) 100% on that income. My other bf is a F/T inner city school teacher. She has some money in the bank from grandma's will, but she keeps her job for the insurance and not to touch their savings. Her dh has been trying to get his producing business off the ground for two years now. They're both excellent writers, poets, but she's making the sacrifice so he can realize his dreams. Women supporting men to get ahead is not all that uncommon.

Hi Braunwyn,

How else would men, upon becoming doctors, dump their pre-MD girl friends and get their upgrades? Its a respected institution.

[Braunwyn]

Originally Posted by gwynedd1

Hi Braunwyn,

How else would men, upon becoming doctors, dump their pre-MD girl friends and get their upgrades? Its a respected institution.

Yea, I guess that's a component of the equation as well. Either way, there are those in both genders that are supportive of their SOs endeavors, even if it doesn't always work out.

[Morphous01]

Originally Posted by Braunwyn

Not ime, Morphous. As you know, my dh does not work/FT student. I do the daily horrific grind. Two of my girl friends have similar situations. One is a desk top publisher. She owns her own business and supports her family (dh and two kids) 100% on that income. My other bf is a F/T inner city school teacher. She has some money in the bank from grandma's will, but she keeps her job for the insurance and not to touch their savings. Her dh has been trying to get his producing business off the ground for two years now. They're both excellent writers, poets, but she's making the sacrifice so he can realize his dreams. Women supporting men to get ahead is not all that uncommon.

Oh absolutely it happens, such as the examples you have given, but I would argue it's not the norm.

[Braunwyn]

Originally Posted by Morphous01

Oh absolutely it happens, such as the examples you have given, but I would argue it's not the norm.

I don't know. gwyen brought up an old cliche (if that's the right word to use here, if not sorry), which I'm sure you're familiar with. I would guess that it's pretty even among the sexes. OTOH, I'm sure financial ability comes into play for a lot of people. Some might want to support their SOs interestes, but aren't able to. Given the sh*t we're all in now with this economy it may be far fetched. Ugh, I'm in downer work/economy mood.

[Ticatica]

Originally Posted by Morphous01

Oh absolutely it happens, such as the examples you have given, but I would argue it's not the norm.

You, my friend, have never seen Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown or People's Court or..... Well, you get the picture. According to these judges it's actually more common for a woman to try to buy some dude's love than the other way around. I was pretty shocked to hear them all say this at various times. Go figure.

[Morphous01]

Originally Posted by Braunwyn

Ugh, I'm in downer work/economy mood.

lol.... I was down too from work all day, but I just had some coffee at trader Joes (the sample in the store) and now I'm UP!

[Morphous01]

Originally Posted by Ticatica

You, my friend, have never seen Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown or People's Court or..... Well, you get the picture. According to these judges it's actually more common for a woman to try to buy some dude's love than the other way around. I was pretty shocked to hear them all say this at various times. Go figure.

I know about them shows.... And yes Ticatia, come to think of it, you're right, there are a lot of women who take care of their men.

The funny thing however is that the men never seem to be upstanding men, they are always lame losers who don't want to work.