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Old 06-22-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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Yes, I know total players and they are tremendous fathers..So yes, its possible
Agreed they can be attentive at feeding or caring for their babies or small children.

But at some point, those kids grow up to a point to see and understand what is going on around them.

And when they come to understand who and what dad really is, it can screw them up for life.

The bad choices they go forward to make in their own relationships could be laid right back at dad's feet a few decades down the road.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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There's a large societal difference of the view of a player and the woman played, and the female player and the guy she plays. There are plenty of women that FnC guys or use them for money, then run. When a woman gets played, society says "what a jerk, you deserve so much better, he's a pig" which I agree with. However, if a guy gets played, like I have, "he deserved it" is the comment that goes. Women will say that if a guy gets played, or lets himself get played, he deserves to get played. Zero sympathy. no Lifetime TV channels about guys who get played, and I know plenty of them, who have been used financially, etc.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:18 PM
 
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Agreed they can be attentive at feeding or caring for their babies or small children.

But at some point, those kids grow up to a point to see and understand what is going on around them.

And when they come to understand who and what dad really is, it can screw them up for life.

The bad choices they go forward to make in their own relationships could be laid right back at dad's feet a few decades down the road.
Why blame it all on the father? The mother made a poor decision with this guy. Why not 50-50?
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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I don't think so. Sure they can do many things that the average "good father" can do, but they lack in the department of setting the best example for them.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:44 PM
 
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Why blame it all on the father? The mother made a poor decision with this guy. Why not 50-50?
HEY. You're breaking the #1 rule on this site.

"1. Its never the woman's fault. Even when it is, its some man's fault, instead."

You could be banned for this!
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:46 PM
 
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Why blame it all on the father? The mother made a poor decision with this guy. Why not 50-50?
You obviously don't understand the very important role a father plays in the healthy emotional development of his children.

A childs mother can be as wonderful as "Carol Brady", but if dad is a player, or a poor excuse for a man in any way, all the good mom has done can easily be undone.

FACT - men learn how to be men from their dads (or other significant male role models), NOT their mom's. The stakes are very high for men to get the fatherhood thing right.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:50 PM
 
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A childs mother can be as wonderful as "Carol Brady", but if dad is a player, or a poor excuse for a man in any way, all the good mom has done can easily be undone.
If the player has a bit of a 'father' left in him, he will not let the kid see him as a player. At least he shouldn't encourage him to be like him.
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Old 06-22-2010, 05:02 PM
 
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Would you apply this to party girls as well? You know, the ones who party with bad boys until they have 50+ sexual partners and THEN decide to settle down with that one nice guy who she kept in reserve?

Just checking.

Anyway, yeah some players will never change but you want to know what a player REALLY is? That's a guy who can get laid on at least a semi-regular basis which still places him way below most women on the sexual food chain. He'd have to be a rock star or hip hop artist to approach the sexual opportunities that a moderately attractive woman does.

At the end of the day, don't hate the player but hate the game. Don't punish the men who have figured out a way into a woman's pants when women have made the US into a sexual prison.
It always amuses me when a player has a few beers with the boys and swaps "war stories". Women never see this side of these men and if they did, they'd have a new found respect for "nice guys". Instead, their heads are all full of the malarkey that chick flicks, TV, romance novels and chatting with their girlfriends gives them. They think this makes them experts on relationships. Too soon old and too late smart.

The US is a sexual prison. Now days, most men serve 20 years of hard labor to find that there is nothing but a ripoff when they make parole.

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Old 06-22-2010, 05:03 PM
 
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If the player has a bit of a 'father' left in him, he will not let the kid see him as a player. At least he shouldn't encourage him to be like him.

Like I said, kids grow up. At some point (maybe 12, maybe 14, whatever) they WILL know who and what their dad is all about - and the legacy that will create will not be pretty.
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Old 06-22-2010, 05:09 PM
 
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You obviously don't understand the very important role a father plays in the healthy emotional development of his children.

A childs mother can be as wonderful as "Carol Brady", but if dad is a player, or a poor excuse for a man in any way, all the good mom has done can easily be undone.

FACT - men learn how to be men from their dads (or other significant male role models), NOT their mom's. The stakes are very high for men to get the fatherhood thing right.
For more than 40 years, the woman's movement has been telling all who will listen (politicians in particular) that women don't need a father to raise their kids, as long as he chips in enough to put a roof over their head and pay all the expenses associated with them.

Many women even went as far as to use a sperm donor. Now this?

Men have been saying that a father figure is important for most of that time and have the statistics to back them up. Few listened and nobody acted.

Did NOW suddenly change their tune or is this your opinion alone? Remember, women don't like a woman who doesn't toe the party line.
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