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Old 04-13-2010, 07:59 AM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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I wonder how many of the 39% of the unmarried moms are using government subsidies to raise their child?
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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And what on Earth does THAT have to do with anything? What, any opportunity to try to bash Christians when being a Neanderthal actually transcends demographics?

For your information, it was the CHRISTIANS who fought against forcing women into arranged marriages and I actually posted a bit about this in a brief history of marriage that I linked. So, stop the snide remarks about Christians.
It has a lot to do with it. Religious fanaticism of all kinds is a bad thing for human rights and especially for the rights of women. I peg him as christian fundie of some sort because every time I hear words like his it's from some pompous looking prig surrounded by a dozen kids dressed exactly alike. He'll be spouting exactly the same garbage as morphous did, while his zombie children and dowdy wife with sad soulless eyes look on wordlessly. He'll go on and on about how he's the head of his household and how he's filling his quiver as god commands.

The bottom line is, women do not have to be subjugated for a marriage to be successful. Not only that, but marriage itself is not necessary for a relationship to be long and successful. And men who try to push women back into the days of silence and servitude are frankly disgusting.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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This has a lot to say why I don't think guys want to sign up:

Don’t Marry

Short version is they see their brothers, fathers, friends, and coworkers getting taken to the cleaners and don't want to take that kind of risk.


I think what Mopheus was getting at is something along the lines of this more than anything else:

Feminism’s Terrible Blunder « Don’t Marry
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:13 AM
 
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I recall nothing about happiness in my wedding vows. Marriage is not about happiness. It is about a partnership. Each person has strengths that edify the other. It is about good and bad. Wealth and poverty. Sickness and health.
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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I think what Morphous01 was getting at is something along the lines of this more than anything else:

Feminism’s Terrible Blunder « Don’t Marry

Exactly! And obviously Nutz76, you got all A's in your reading comprehension classes.




"This is the great tragedy of feminism: The so-called women’s movement has encouraged women to get specialized education and pursue careers right out of school. Feminists have said over and over that women can succeed at any business endeavor a man can. THIS IS TRUE. But what makes this message so damaging: Saying it over and over to young women has distracted them from remembering (or realizing) that they have a tremendous comparative advantage over men. This comparative advantage is their ability to have children,
and it exists for only part of their lives.

If a woman doesn’t particularly want to bear children, fine. But almost all of the young women I meet do have a strong maternal instinct and say they definitely want kids. Why don’t they realize that their youth and ability to bear children are expiring assets? Why are they doing what you can do at any time (work in a business) during the only time they possess those valuable assets?"
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: USA
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Exactly! And obviously Nutz76, you got all A's in your reading comprehension classes.




"This is the great tragedy of feminism: The so-called women’s movement has encouraged women to get specialized education and pursue careers right out of school. Feminists have said over and over that women can succeed at any business endeavor a man can. THIS IS TRUE. But what makes this message so damaging: Saying it over and over to young women has distracted them from remembering (or realizing) that they have a tremendous comparative advantage over men. This comparative advantage is their ability to have children,
and it exists for only part of their lives.

If a woman doesn’t particularly want to bear children, fine. But almost all of the young women I meet do have a strong maternal instinct and say they definitely want kids. Why don’t they realize that their youth and ability to bear children are expiring assets? Why are they doing what you can do at any time (work in a business) during the only time they possess those valuable assets?"
Head shot!!
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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Yea, You can't have it all! You can't have an education, a great career, a wonderful husband/children, joy-filled home, etc. "Looks around at my life" Oh wait, yes you can. Never mind.
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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It is commonplace for both couples to have a career, education and all that. But marriage needs understanding, love, and respect of each other make it all work.
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Amarillo, Tx
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The fact is it has nothing to do with being religious or happy. The fact is that people are shallow, selfish, materialistic, money grabbing, sh*t heads for the most part now. You cant make someone else happy when your not. And people run around chasing titles and bullsh*t and act like they are happy cuz thats what the douche bags on MTV do. We live in a country or unoriginal, TV zombies that cant think for themselves. Thats why the divorce rate is what it is.

We have been force fed this Hollywood idealised version of love and romance abd when reality sets in we are disappointed. You mean my future wife hasnt waited her whole lives waiting and pining over me? What? She had sex with 20 guys in college? What? She made babies with someone else? What? She thinks about doing other guys? What? She can divorce me and love someone else? What?

Thats the reality. And I think young people become jaded when they realize that even if they dont know it. They feel like they are settling because they dont have the end of the movie romance for 30 years. So they chase that feelign again with someone else thinking it will last. And then again and again. You mean you have to work hard to stay in love? What?

But thats just the way I see it maybe.
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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I recall nothing about happiness in my wedding vows. Marriage is not about happiness. It is about a partnership. Each person has strengths that edify the other. It is about good and bad. Wealth and poverty. Sickness and health.
There's a quote I like from Anne Bancroft (I can't find it online, so I'll paraphrase) that something like "My husband doesn't always make me happy, but I can't imagine living my life without him." (Her husband was Mel Brooks.)
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