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Pathetic and desperate? Wow. Nothing turns me on more than a woman who's a fighter and protects her man, just as he protects her. To me, there is something INCREDIBLY beautiful about it. I do see some women like that in various movies, series, and anime.
But seeing something like it in real life...would be amazing. Many guys would agree.
Yup and they call that a fantasy. ^^^
In the real world, women have empathy and concern for children and other women. Men have empathy and concern for women and children. But nobody has any concern or empathy for men; we don't even care for each other.
Taking initiative can be seen in a few different ways.
1. Is taking initiative when given the right signals to
2. Taking the cold approach without signals
I think most men do 1, and most guys who do 2...also do 1.
Few women do 1 and even fewer do 2.
IMO most women don't do either because most men are either doing 1 &/or 2.
I suck at reading signals. But if a woman comes up to me and tries to engage me in conversation--and works at it--on a regular basis, it's a pretty good indication she's interested. Especially the one time she grabbed my notebook and pen, flipped to the middle, wrote down her number and the words "Call me". Unfortunately, it was someone I worked with, so I had to decline.
No, I don't hate women at all. The thing is that it's not just me they don't approach... Women don't take the initiative with men at all, not just me.
But they DO. Multiple women AND men on this forum have stated this from their personal experience. You could say that a decent number of women expect men to take the initiative and no one would argue, but you say all women never take the initiative and you have been proven wrong so many times over, it's just kind of sad now.
No, I don't hate women at all. The thing is that it's not just me they don't approach... Women don't take the initiative with men at all, not just me.
Well you can blame the women for not taking initiative, but realistically these women don't need to approach men because they are already being approached on a regular basis. Hence why there is no reason to switch up the game plan. Essentially you'd have to blame men for this.
I suck at reading signals. But if a woman comes up to me and tries to engage me in conversation--and works at it--on a regular basis, it's a pretty good indication she's interested. Especially the one time she grabbed my notebook and pen, flipped to the middle, wrote down her number and the words "Call me". Unfortunately, it was someone I worked with, so I had to decline.
I was kinda like this when I was in my late teens, early 20s, but as I got older I learned to converse with just about anyone, so it all worked out. I never really liked the cold approach though--because that method is really a numbers game, where you can expect X amount to say "yes" and an even larger Y amount to say "no." Success with the women who throw you signals first is much higher...it's like the invitation that has already been put out there, you just have to do enough not to screw it up, plus it's always easier to work with women who are just as attracted to you as you are to them. Cold approaching is really like selling insurance...and NO ONE likes to be sold insurance, but once in a while they can get the sale lol.
I was kinda like this when I was in my late teens, early 20s, but as I got older I learned to converse with just about anyone, so it all worked out. I never really liked the cold approach though--because that method is really a numbers game, where you can expect X amount to say "yes" and an even larger Y amount to say "no." Success with the women who throw you signals first is much higher...it's like the invitation that has already been put out there, you just have to do enough not to screw it up, plus it's always easier to work with women who are just as attracted to you as you are to them. Cold approaching is really like selling insurance...and NO ONE likes to be sold insurance, but once in a while they can get the sale lol.
Sales is a good analogy for asking out the ladies.
I had a friend that would literally ask every woman, in a place, for her phone number. Just like that, "Can I have your phone number." Most the time it was a very quick NO. His success rate was like 1/2% to 1%. He didn't care. I asked him once and he said as long as he got 1 phone number he could work with that, and if they said NO quick it was alright cuz he could go on to the next one. That GUY had some THICK skin.
Most people are like me and you and wait for somebody to show some interest.
BUT, what we have here is a bunch of guys that want to sit inside the Car Dealership...watching TV...and have somebody come up to them with the car all picked out, paperwork done, and ready to drive it off the lot. Sorry, doesn't hardly ever work that way.
I've worked sales and sometimes you get some that are WAY too easy...and they worry you.
Sales is a good analogy for asking out the ladies.
I had a friend that would literally ask every woman, in a place, for her phone number. Just like that, "Can I have your phone number." Most the time it was a very quick NO. His success rate was like 1/2% to 1%. He didn't care. I asked him once and he said as long as he got 1 phone number he could work with that, and if they said NO quick it was alright cuz he could go on to the next one. That GUY had some THICK skin.
Most people are like me and you and wait for somebody to show some interest.
BUT, what we have here is a bunch of guys that want to sit inside the Car Dealership...watching TV...and have somebody come up to them with the car all picked out, paperwork done, and ready to drive it off the lot. Sorry, doesn't hardly ever work that way.
I've worked sales and sometimes you get some that are WAY too easy...and they worry you.
I'm in sales, and I have noticed much the same thing. Some people sit around and wait for a romantic interest to fall from the sky and hit them in the head.
I am able to turn the charm on or off, depending on my mood. It's the same way with sales. If a customer is really marginal and I don't care if I get their business or not, I can be very stand-offish. If it is a really good deal, I will be the most charming personality you've ever seen.
If you think a woman is giving you the cold shoulder, it usually means that she is. She's just not that into you.
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