What is with the attraction to younger girls? (friend, social, conversations)

[JustJulia]

Originally Posted by seeniorita

Ewwwww...that comment makes me cherish that I don't have a daughter.

I do. And a bat.

[Ameribull]

Originally Posted by seeniorita

Ewwwww...that comment makes me cherish that I don't have a daughter.

Yeah cuz a 32 yo old guy hookin up with a 21 yo girl is sooo disgusting. But when a 40 yo cougar hooks up with the 25yo pool boy its "you go girl". hmmmmmm

[Nutz76]

Originally Posted by nichirenx

It is easier and more practical to arm our sisters and daughters with knowledge at a young age than trying to tell these grown men that getting involved sexually with these young women may cause issues in relationships down the line. Issues which contribute to some older men not wanting women their age.

And the truth shall set you free. This is exactly why feminists HATE men dating younger women. Competition. This is where all the feminist shaming tactics come from and in large part is the cause of this growing perception that older men with younger women is somehow wrong. It's actually just sour grapes.

[JustJulia]

Originally Posted by Nutz76

If it was fine then why isn't it fine now? Why the change of perception? The answer was already given above, but I'm curious what yours and Julia's take on it is.

I'll tell you if you answer my questions first.

1. By "older men," how old are we talking? Talking to Gwynedd earlier, I was thinking 40, but he said 22. Big difference there. I am specifically talking about the older men who should mate with 16-year-olds, since you mentioned that age.

2. Are these older men, whatever their ages, abstaining from sex before they mate with their fertile young wives? If not, doesn't that affect their ability to maintain long-term monogamy? (You're the one who brought that up.) Also if not, who are they having sex with in this ideal society?

Thanks.

[Djuna]

<snort>

Yeah, feminists are REALLY scared of younger women

Ever heard of the expression "You talk through a hole in your a$$"

<waits for the mod cut>

[gwynedd1]

Originally Posted by Avienne

That's what I was thinking! I know when I was in high school and early in college, even 25 seemed old. 30 was downright crusty. If we caught a male coach looking at someone on the team or something, there was a big "ewwww, PERVERT" reaction to go with it.

Hi Avienne,

The odds are you would have thought the same way when he was younger. There is no shortage of younger "perverts" in the minds of women. Women get the creeps from all ages of men.

I'm inclined to say it's because I went to Catholic school, where the whole message of chastity and "look out for boys" gets drilled into the girls' heads day in and day out, but maybe it's also that things were different 25 years ago. I mean, even prom dresses these days make the girls look like little hootchie mamas. Back in 1984, we all wore white or pastel full-length gowns, and off-the-shoulder was about as daring as we got. If there were spaghetti straps, we'd wear shawls. Now they're wearing strapless, barely to the knee, cleavage-baring, backless, skin tight, red, black--stuff that prompted my mother to roll her eyes and say "yeah, right--not until you're 25" if I so much as looked in its direction.

I guess in a society where toddlers are tarted up for beauty pageants and there are bras and heels for four-year-olds, that's what happens. It's simultaneously sad and disturbing.

That's the problem. Its used to be parents and extended family had veto power. Now older men have lots of access to one decision maker, silly young girls. A certain group of older men will not seem creepy, but will charm their pants off. We can all pretend that young girls know better despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[LTF22]

To the OP... it has to do with a number of reasons:

1. Younger women (18-21) are usually hotter, in better shape, and funner. They're more willing to experiment. Oh, and tighter, more flexible.
2. The taboo factor. The same reason why guys like having anal sex with women. Does the dirty whole feel that much better than the glory hole? No, not at all. But the idea that you're doing something "not allowed" adds to the appeal. One thing I've always wondered is why so many porns have "teenie boppers" wearing pig tails and/or calling their sexual partners "daddy." That is off putting. But I guess that's the tabboo thing too.
3. Most women, once they have kids, their bodies change. And not for the better. I look at some of my friends wives, and I feel sorry for them. It's avoidable, but of course most women think being pregnant is an excuse to eat whatever and gain unnatural amounts of weight. I'm fortunate to have married a health concious woman who is a runner. After 2 children, she still looks fabulous.

Of course, these are all sexual things. I don't know of anyone who realistically at 30 or 40 wants to have a really for real realtionship with a 19 year old. If they do, it's because she's smoking hot. And you can rest assured the desire for that relationship is physical. But mostly guys are attracted to the physical aspect.

[Ameribull]

Originally Posted by JustJulia

I'll tell you if you answer my questions first.

1. By "older men," how old are we talking? Talking to Gwynedd earlier, I was thinking 40, but he said 22. Big difference there. I am specifically talking about the older men who should mate with 16-year-olds, since you mentioned that age.

2. Are these older men, whatever their ages, abstaining from sex before they mate with their fertile young wives? If not, doesn't that affect their ability to maintain long-term monogamy? (You're the one who brought that up.) Also if not, who are they having sex with in this ideal society?

Thanks.

Yeah see thats just not right. 16 is too young.

[Djuna]

Originally Posted by Avienne

That's what I was thinking! I know when I was in high school and early in college, even 25 seemed old. 30 was downright crusty. If we caught a male coach looking at someone on the team or something, there was a big "ewwww, PERVERT" reaction to go with it.

I'm inclined to say it's because I went to Catholic school, where the whole message of chastity and "look out for boys" gets drilled into the girls' heads day in and day out, but maybe it's also that things were different 25 years ago. I mean, even prom dresses these days make the girls look like little hootchie mamas. Back in 1984, we all wore white or pastel full-length gowns, and off-the-shoulder was about as daring as we got. If there were spaghetti straps, we'd wear shawls. Now they're wearing strapless, barely to the knee, cleavage-baring, backless, skin tight, red, black--stuff that prompted my mother to roll her eyes and say "yeah, right--not until you're 25" if I so much as looked in its direction.

I guess in a society where toddlers are tarted up for beauty pageants and there are bras and heels for four-year-olds, that's what happens. It's simultaneously sad and disturbing.

You make an excellent point. The sexualisation of young girls is a recent one. There are very different dynamics going on compared with the marriages of young girls to older men 100 years ago.

There are also very different mind sets of men who prefer prepubescent girls to men who can't tell if a 14 year old is actually 14 or 20 because she's so tarted up.

[robee70]

Originally Posted by Nutz76

If it was fine then why isn't it fine now? Why the change of perception? The answer was already given above, but I'm curious what yours and Julia's take on it is.

The practicality of older men with younger women hasn't really changed. The more research done on the subject, the more it reinforces the ideal of settling down younger rather than older. Sure we live longer, but that doesn't change our base instincts and fertility rates being greater amongst the youth. The fact of the matter is women are hypergamous by nature and men are attracted to fertile women. Just the way it is. Trying to prohibit young women from mating with older men through legislation is just overzealous feminism.

I really do think the UK and French got it right with 16 and 15 as their respective age of consent. I also think school should end around those ages too though and a secondary school or college should be on the plate so people can start careers around 19 or 20 instead of 22-24 like they do in the US today. Those handful of years don't seem like much, but we're really working against the clock. People don't think about it, but everything is indirectly tied to female fertility. If we can get girls out of school by 16-20 so they can have their kids, that will give them 20-25 to start their careers. That's not that far off from what they do today. The difference is that the women who had kids young will have their families already knocked out. Contrast that with their contemporary sisters of today who often put off kids and family in favor of crotch hopping and career so when they get to 35 or so it's a mad dash to find a man and hurry up to have kids with. What kind of sense does that make? If women want to wait until later that's their choice, but we need to provide the opportunities for the younger women who are ready to settle down at a younger age. We need to create a society where our laws and goals sync better with our biology. Fighting it is just plain foolishness.

So Nutz, all this social engineering stuff keep you up at night.

I can only speak for myself, but despite what my body looked like at 15/16, I was no way near ready to get married and start a family, certainly not to a man 15 years my senior. While third-world countries are raising their age of consent from obscene, you want to lower it. You can go to jail for serving a girl that age alcohol but you want society to give you the justification to bed & mate with her.

You claim your issues have to do with "the mad dash to reproduce", but how many years do you need to have the average 2.5 kids like in the US? BTW, fertility rates in the US are higher than Canada or Europe and are declining world-wide.

It's always the vocal minority that get's the credit and the blame for all the world's innovation and ills. The majority of us just have a life, go to school, find a mate, have kids if we choose and don't find the need b*itch & moan about every little bad thing that's happened to us.