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05-20-2010, 10:59 AM
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Location: Oxford, England
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Originally Posted by Whyte Byrd
I doubt it's most, seriously.
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Maybe most is an exaggeration but I would say that a large section of our modern society sees sex as nothing more than a commodity and something which means little.
One only has to look at the sheer size of the sex industry from prostitution to porn or simple things most of us accept as a normal daily part of the day like highly sexually suggestive and provocative music videos, films, fashion etc... to realise that kids hardly have the best example on show from their elders...
Why should a kid respect themselves when they fail to see so many adults do likewise ? Kids ape adults. They are dying to be grown up and what could be more grown up than sex when it is after all so important to us...
Sex has become nothing more special than having a glass of illicit booze or smoking a cigarette for many .
We are just sowing what we reaped. I find it heartbreaking because my the fondest memories of my teenage years were those exquisite ( and sometimes painful) moments of self discovery and growth, of being on the cusp of womanhood but with one foot still firmly in childhood.
A slow discovery not only my own body and its nascent desires but also of my own mind as a growing adolescent. Kids are being robbed of one of the most crucial elements of growth. They seem to jump from being children to being blase sexually experienced adults without the full maturity to handle it.
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05-20-2010, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ticatica
Define "drop of a hat". So far we have no idea who she's having sex with or how long and well she's known them so clarify that. In the adult world if you wait a month you're a borderline prude. Is she waiting that long? or a shorter length of time? Also, how do you know she doesn't love sex? If this really is about her father's absence then why did you suggest she comes from a great home? A neglectful home is hardly a great home.
Guys don't get a rep because of misogyny. If that behavior is disturbing to you from the young lady you should also be sharing tales of lost boys doing the same thing. But you're not. Do you think this behavior is ok or not?
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I never said anything about coming from a great home. The words I used were intact families meaning not divorced. Big difference. As far as each individual situation of each individual female, I cannot give the details you asked for because I am talking about the current trend of young females not an individual girl. I relayed one situation a father of three girls told me about that happened the other day. His daughter was dating a friend of my kid, but one day when the friend was outside with other kids and the daughter was alone in the basement with my kid and she took off her top and sat on my kids lap. If you would like to start a thread about slutty boys, be my guest but this one is about trying to understand this type of behaviour. Same type of thing happened the first time he went to another girls house. Within minutes of being alone with him she took off her top and started making out with him. They were caught by the mom bring them milk and cookies. Idiot mother for leaving them alone in her daughter's bedroom. This girl was friends with the girl that later jumped on my son's lap. See what I mean yet?
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05-20-2010, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mooseketeer
Maybe most is an exaggeration but I would say that a large section of our modern society sees sex as nothing more than a commodity and something which means little.
One only has to look at the sheer size of the sex industry from prostitution to porn or simple things most of us accept as a normal daily part of the day like highly sexually suggestive and provocative music videos, films, fashion etc... to realise that kids hardly have the best example on show from their elders...
Why should a kid respect themselves when they fail to see so many adults do likewise ? Kids ape adults. They are dying to be grown up and what could be more grown up than sex when it is after all so important to us...
Sex has become nothing more special than having a glass of illicit booze or smoking a cigarette for many .
We are just sowing what we reaped. I find it heartbreaking because my the fondest memories of my teenage years were those exquisite ( and sometimes painful) moments of self discovery and growth, of being on the cusp of womanhood but with one foot still firmly in childhood.
A slow discovery not only my own body and its nascent desires but also of my own mind as a growing adolescent. Kids are being robbed of one of the most crucial elements of growth. They seem to jump from being children to being blase sexually experienced adults without the full maturity to handle it.
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Great intelligent post.
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05-20-2010, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RamCharger1985
LOL why don't you just say what you really want to say. You're mad because the one bargaining chip girls have over us guys (sex) is starting to dry up. If girls just "give it away" then the guy doesn't have to buy her things or slave away, like he normally would. I bet you would see nothing wrong with girls "giving it away" if the guys did what she wanted first. Or if the guy bought her things and treated her like a queen and got NOTHING in return.
There is no reason why any guy should have to be some chivalrous pinhead and slave away if he wants sex....and with all of this new age talk about how girls are supposedly more mature than boys in the teenage years, then I fail to see how the boys take advantage, can't have it both ways
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Oh boy did you miss the mark.
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05-20-2010, 11:06 AM
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Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Violett
Tell me why I should care as long as they're not making babies or catching/spreading STDs. I'm up for any reasonable argument that's not religiously based.
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Tell YOU? Why, are you a teen?
What their parents need to tell THEM is that having sex means taking responsibility, and that the parents won't bail them out when they get pregnant, contract an STD, or get a "reputation."
Because one or more of the above WILL happen. Read the stats and learn about how many young women have an STD these days. Look around, and see how many teen mothers there are and how many parents and grandparents are helping to raise the teens' kids. Watch the MTV show "16 and Pregnant" and that whole train wreck of lives.
Psychologically speaking, teens think that bad things won't happen to them. They feel immortal. They have difficulty seeing long-term outcomes. They live in the moment. They need guidance injected with a huge dose of reality.
The other problem is that they COUNT on being bailed out and they romanticize everything. They figure that someone will pay for an abortion if they get pregnant or someone else will pay the medical bills if they get an STD (if they even KNOW they have an STD) and a shot or some pills will cure that, anyway.
And, if they get pregnant and don't abort, many STILL think the guy will stick around, that they'll have a cute baby, live happily ever after, and live off government benefits OR mom and dad will raise the kid.
Now, why should YOU care? Perhaps because you are a member of society and society is affected when kids are having kids, a certain population is rife with STDs, children are abused and/or neglected by teen mums/dads, your tax dollars are paying for a cycle of welfare benefits in families, and a percentage of young people are severely limiting their potential and suffering a lack of self-esteem by messing with something they're not prepared to handle.
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05-20-2010, 11:08 AM
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Location: Cary, NC
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Originally Posted by 4doglver
From a mother's point of view watching the behaviour of the girls in our area, what is the deal with how easy girls make themselves for guys? Where have the morals gone to and the self esteem? I'm talking about good students with intact families that go to church, belong to clubs after school and plan on going to college but when it comes to guys, they give it up so easily before even dating and being in a committed relationship! A father I know found a maids costume, handcuffs and other "toys" in the back of his daughters car the other day. Of course the daughter said it didn't belong to her. Just a teenager! Any insight as to what has happened since the days we were teens in the 70's and 80's???
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I'm a product of the 70's and there was plenty of action back then. My memories are vivid and fond. I remember zero about the academic aspects of high school, though.
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05-20-2010, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by eloyfan
I'm a product of the 70's and there was plenty of action back then. My memories are vivid and fond. I remember zero about the academic aspects of high school, though.
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Case in point.
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05-20-2010, 11:15 AM
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Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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I dont think teenage girls are any "easier" these days. I think there are more men willing to take advantage of thier youth and naivete. Girls of today are no different than girls of yesterday. If they arent getting attention at home or school, they'll get it where they can. High school boys will be high school boys and high school girls will be high school girls. It's when the teen girls turn thier infatuations toward an older man like me, and they do this more than people may realize,that we need men to be decent and caring and point the girls in a different direction. 
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05-20-2010, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DennyCrane
Unfortunately, a lot of girls are growing up believing that being easy will make them popular. What's also true is that they're being bombarded with images of girls like Britney, Miley Cyrus, Lindsay Lohan, all teens who seemed a little too anxious to grow up and show their sexual side. It's pretty sad when you have girls who don't want to have intercourse, but decide to perform oral on their partners in order to keep them happy. You have to wonder about their self-esteem if they can't just tell their boyfriends no.
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I feel that this is part of the reason why.
Look at what is on tv, lyrics in the music, and even the clothing they are making for kids. I have a 3 year old girl and so many of the shorts and skirts they have for her size barely cover anything. Even some of the shirts. The older they get the skimpier they are and to be honest, its scary. I am terrified at what she is going to go through when she gets older. All I can do is encourage her to know that she is special and to respect herself.
You know its bad when a 6 year old comes home from school and says "they told us to keep our private parts to ourselves".
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05-20-2010, 11:17 AM
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Location: The Bay Area
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I dont think teenage girls are any "easier" these days. I think there are more men willing to take advantage of thier youth and naivete.
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I disagree 1000000%. Girls are the agressive ones these days. I have a son and a daughter and knowing them, and their friends and general attitudes, I say that with confidence. Some of the guys their age are scared of them. I know 2 high school boys that broke up with their gf's because the girls pushed for sex right away and the guys weren't ready to go there yet.
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