My friend took the initiative but did she go too far?

[CMichele]

Originally Posted by professorsenator

Yes, true. Given that they both ostensibly have an interest in one another the fact they have let so many opportunities pass them by says they are both immature.

LOL. Ouch.

I hear you, though. Either they both need to grow up versus they both need stronger/more aggressive people versus they are both too stubborn or strong for their own good.

But don't get too bogged down in the hows and whys of it all. It is what it is...

[Huckleberry3911948]

right out of fatal attraction.

[professorsenator]

Originally Posted by lovesMountains

Whatever

Think about the assumptions that underlie the attitude that women should not be aggressive. Such a posture assumes that women should not express interest in men because...why, exactly? Because to do so would suggest that the woman has a sexual interest in a man, and that expressing this interest is somehow "unlady-like." It assumes that that a "true lady" (rather than a tramp) should not take the initiative in expressing attraction to a man because, well, expressing sexual interest simply should not be done by a lady. Ladies don't do those kinds of things--tramps do. And why is that? Because, of course, sexual attraction is bad, unwholesome, impure. Sex, you see, is dirty, and a lady should not express a desire or interest in such vulgarity. Correspondingly, the assumption goes that men should be, in the words of JSizzle225, "picky." Men should be discerning in selecting "better" women who don't do something so base and crass as to express an interest in a man. Because it's dirty. Tramps are dirty, ladies are not.

And to those that think such things I say, loudly and firmly, "NONSENSE!" It is perfectly fine for women -- for ladies -- to express a sexual interest in a man, and to act upon that interest. People who have a problem with this need to get off of their pious, moralistic high horse and can their prejudicial viewpoints. They need to recognize that their hidebound, cramped way of thinking is increasingly a relic of a sad, tragic past.

[lovesMountains]

Originally Posted by professorsenator

Think about the assumptions that underlie the attitude that women should not be aggressive. Such a posture assumes that women should not express interest in men because...why, exactly? Because to do so would suggest that the woman has a sexual interest in a man, and that expressing this interest is somehow "unlady-like." It assumes that that a "true lady" (rather than a tramp) should not take the initiative in expressing attraction to a man because, well, expressing sexual interest simply should not be done by a lady. Ladies don't do those kinds of things--tramps do. And why is that? Because, of course, sexual attraction is bad, unwholesome, impure. Sex, you see, is dirty, and a lady should not express a desire or interest in such vulgarity. Correspondingly, the assumption goes that men should be, in the words of JSizzle225, "picky." Men should be discerning in selecting "better" women who don't do something so base and crass as to express an interest in a man. Because it's dirty. Tramps are dirty, ladies are not.

And to those that think such things I say, loudly and firmly, "NONSENSE!" It is perfectly fine for women -- for ladies -- to express a sexual interest in a man, and to act upon that interest. People who have a problem with this need to get off of their pious, moralistic high horse and can their prejudicial viewpoints. They need to recognize that their hidebound, cramped way of thinking is increasingly a relic of a sad, tragic past.

Great. But none of that applies to me or has anything to do with what I wrote