God, Evil, and Evidence. (church, Christianity, Christians, evolution)

[Black Ghost 7]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

How can you have a kingdom without a King to sit on His throne?

We are just tourist here our citizenship is in heaven

(Colossians 3:2)
2 "Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth".

Jesus prayed 'Your Kingdom, on EARTH as it is in Heaven' ... 'come' being a verb and it being clear from the rest of the Gospel that we are not just tourists without any responsibility. If you do insist on being a tourist, please be an eco-tourist and look after the earth and more importantly the people on it created in his image.

Your little headline says: 'have you shared your faith today?'

Maybe the headline should 'how have you shared your faith today?'

Through the arrogant, self-righteous words put in a forum? Or through humility and actually doing what needs to be done ... ? This is not just aimed at you, but at the many proud Christians in here that seemingly fail to experience much love and compassion in order to share a message of Hope in a way that steers clear of Sunday school answers and fundamentalist devotionals. Please forgive me if that offends.

The fact that many humanists have a much clearer vision as to how to alleviate the suffering in this world to me is God giving us all a nice big slap saying: stop bickering about what hymns to sing, causing schisms about ridiculous differences of opinions, labeling each other heretics and spending time focusing on that what is secondary rather than primary: the release of those in injustice, poverty and inequality and the coming of justice to those who oppress and murder humanity.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Black Ghost 7

Jesus prayed 'Your Kingdom, on EARTH as it is in Heaven' ... 'come' being a verb and it being clear from the rest of the Gospel that we are not just tourists without any responsibility. If you do insist on being a tourist, please be an eco-tourist and look after the earth and more importantly the people on it created in his image.

Your little headline says: 'have you shared your faith today?'

Maybe the headline should 'how have you shared your faith today?'

Through the arrogant, self-righteous words put in a forum? Or through humility and actually doing what needs to be done ... ? This is not just aimed at you, but at the many proud Christians in here that seemingly fail to experience much love and compassion in order to share a message of Hope in a way that steers clear of Sunday school answers and fundamentalist devotionals. Please forgive me if that offends.

The fact that many humanists have a much clearer vision as to how to alleviate the suffering in this world to me is God giving us all a nice big slap saying: stop bickering about what hymns to sing, causing schisms about ridiculous differences of opinions, labeling each other heretics and spending time focusing on that what is secondary rather than primary: the release of those in injustice, poverty and inequality and the coming of justice to those who oppress and murder humanity.

You don't offend, I have come across many like you. You didn't answer my question. How can you have a Kingdom without a King? "We are to set our affections above" doesn't mean we ignore what is going on here, it is Christians, mainly conservatives who give more than the liberals/ secularists. We started organizations such as the Salvation Army, YMCA etc...

I am still awaiting the humanist to fix the world, I mean between marxism, communism, nazism, socialism, atheism, fascism, darwinsim. Where do they find the time?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by arod0331

Utopia....a nice dream but impossible.
As long as there are human beings, there will be pain, sickness, and war. And no magical being can or will stop it.

Nothing is impossible for God.

[brianrees]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

God's kingdom is in all of us but until he comes back, the King will restore his kingdom here on earth, no more pain, sickness, war etc... the earth will as it was supposed to be before Adam sinned.

Great!

Hope you're looking forward to a nice vegetarian diet in this utopian new world, Fundamentalist, because, of course, no animals will be slaughtered for our food. That's because it would cause them pain, and as you say, pain won't be a part of this idyllic scenario.

But I forget, god cares not a whit about the treatment of the animal kingdom, does he - he created them for us to exploit in the first place, as the dread book of Genesis makes perfectly clear?

Oh! the ARROGANCE of such views.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by brianrees

Great!

Hope you're looking forward to a nice vegetarian diet in this utopian new world, Fundamentalist, because, of course, no animals will be slaughtered for our food. That's because it would cause them pain, and as you say, pain won't be a part of this idyllic scenario.

But I forget, god cares not a whit about the treatment of the animal kingdom, does he - he created them for us to exploit in the first place, as the dread book of Genesis makes perfectly clear?

Oh! the ARROGANCE of such views.

I am not an animal lover nor do I abuse animals. In the book of genesis before the fall and sin of man, all creatures including men were vegetarians so I am sure it will go back to that way again. I must admit though, I will miss steak.

[brianrees]

Originally Posted by Black Ghost 7

Jesus prayed 'Your Kingdom, on EARTH as it is in Heaven' ... 'come' being a verb and it being clear from the rest of the Gospel that we are not just tourists without any responsibility. If you do insist on being a tourist, please be an eco-tourist and look after the earth and more importantly the people on it created in his image.

Your little headline says: 'have you shared your faith today?'

Maybe the headline should 'how have you shared your faith today?'

Through the arrogant, self-righteous words put in a forum? Or through humility and actually doing what needs to be done ... ? This is not just aimed at you, but at the many proud Christians in here that seemingly fail to experience much love and compassion in order to share a message of Hope in a way that steers clear of Sunday school answers and fundamentalist devotionals. Please forgive me if that offends.

The fact that many humanists have a much clearer vision as to how to alleviate the suffering in this world to me is God giving us all a nice big slap saying: stop bickering about what hymns to sing, causing schisms about ridiculous differences of opinions, labeling each other heretics and spending time focusing on that what is secondary rather than primary: the release of those in injustice, poverty and inequality and the coming of justice to those who oppress and murder humanity.

Well said:

But now you have put me in the rather embarrassing position of having to side with a Christian like yourself!

I may not share your vision of the running of the Universe in the sense that I find it impossible to give any credence to the idea of a loving god, let alone a cruel and indifferent one. The Universe is AMORAL, and our attempts to try and make it seem moral will always tie us in knots.

But I salute your rare HUMILITY, though, and your transparent honesty.

So please, carry on the debate with Fundamentalist, I think he understands your language better than mine; if you can get him to a position where he is amenable to the less judgemental 21st Century mindset, it will be of great credit to you.

with love, Brian.

[brianrees]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

I am not an animal lover nor do I abuse animals. In the book of genesis before the fall and sin of man, all creatures including men were vegetarians so I am sure it will go back to that way again. I must admit though, I will miss steak.

Perhaps it is too much red meat that is making you so aggressive, Fund, my friend??

ps. you don't come across as much of a PEOPLE LOVER, either, but we'll let that pass...

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by brianrees

Well said:

But now you have put me in the rather embarrassing position of having to side with a Christian like yourself!

I may not share your vision of the running of the Universe in the sense that I find it impossible to give any credence to the idea of a loving god, let alone a cruel and indifferent one. The Universe is AMORAL, and our attempts to try and make it seem moral will always tie us in knots.

But I salute your rare HUMILITY, though, and your transparent honesty.

So please, carry on the debate with Fundamentalist, I think he understands your language better than mine; if you can get him to a position where he is amenable to the less judgemental 21st Century mindset, it will be of great credit to you.

with love, Brian.

LOL....He is not being honest with himself. He is what we fundamentalist call a "Red Letter Christian" the new age movement Christian who basically follows the red letters in the bible and pretty much discards the rest because the entire bible doesn't follow their philosophical christianity in fact it can not.

He can't explain the God of the Old Testament and just the mere fact that you think God is a maniacal monster but yet you agree with him gives credence.

How am I being judgmental when I myself are being held to these same standards that our God requires from us?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by brianrees

Perhaps it is too much red meat that is making you so aggressive, Fund, my friend??

ps. you don't come across as much of a PEOPLE LOVER, either, but we'll let that pass...

I love people but I love my God more. Telling people they are doing wrong is not hate. I do this out of love even though you don't see it that way. The world has adopted a live and let live attitude and now we have AIDS and other STD's running rampant; so many other issues that affect us also. Why can't we have a voice as well?

[brianrees]

Fundamentalist;5922716]I love people but I love my God more. Telling people they are doing wrong is not hate. I do this out of love even though you don't see it that way. The world has adopted a live and let live attitude and now we have AIDS and other STD's running rampant; so many other issues that affect us also. Why can't we have a voice as well?

I know it is impossible for you to even consider that you might be wrong on anything, Fund, but let's suppose for a second you were, and god is really a figment of your imagination, OK?

I would then say that you have channelled the love you might have used to make REAL PEOPLE happier, making the world a gentler place, into a meaningless relationship with something that DOESN'T EXIST !. - What a colossal waste.

Sorry, but that's exactly like I see it.

Apart from that, how come god invented the AIDS virus and other STDs in the first place? Was it just another of his bright little ideas to keep humanity in line? If so, I bet he must feel pretty bad (but I doubt it) when he looks at the millions of African children born with aids - or is that of no importance to him?

I mean, there's no shortage of other nasties in his arsenal he can draw on to punish - so AIDS he must have kept in reserve for when he started to get bored with all the usual miseries he likes to inflict on us. NICE THINKING, GOD....

AND:

LOL....He is not being honest with himself. He is what we fundamentalist call a "Red Letter Christian" the new age movement Christian who basically follows the red letters in the bible and pretty much discards the rest because the entire bible doesn't follow their philosophical Christianity in fact it can not.

Poor Black Ghost: I might have known you'd have another of your labels to stick on him. If that's how a 'Red Letter Christian' like him sees things, then most civilised people would say it's a distinct improvement on your antiquated views. So more power to the lad...