Thought of renaming the forum (Christian, believe, Christ, religion)

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by kaykay

Well, how about just anybody that considers themself to be a Christian is welcome?

And no flaming by other Christians who disagree? Personally, I find it quite abhorrant to judge another Christian's salvation, unless the person in question is sacrificing children to Satan or something, then of course it's obvious something is off...

[Padgett2]

Jeff, That's the problem as I see it. We have too many that do not understand that while THEY have the right to think one thing, OTHERS also have the right to think something else.

For example, The Bible. We don't even agree what it is, how it was written, how it should be interpreted or whether it's even very necessary. Some think Paul always speaks what God always wants, and others think that his writings should be seen in today's light. Who's right? Too many say, "I am right because the bible says so. And the bible says it's so because the bible says it's the word of God."

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by Padgett2

Jeff, That's the problem as I see it. We have too many that do not understand that while THEY have the right to think one thing, OTHERS also have the right to think something else.

For example, The Bible. We don't even agree what it is, how it was written, how it should be interpreted or whether it's even very necessary. Some think Paul always speaks what God always wants, and others think that his writings should be seen in today's light. Who's right? Too many say, "I am right because the bible says so. And the bible says it's so because the bible says it's the word of God."

Yes, perfect example of the circular reasoning that infuriates so many of our athiest friends. I guess then a ground rule should be laid--and really it has been but should be enforced--that there is to be no judging another person's salvation, or lack thereof. Or if there is to be judging, then in the vast majority of cases, keep it to yourself! Disagree with someone's beliefs, not thier personal relationship with God, which is something no one other than God and that person know about.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

Yes, perfect example of the circular reasoning that infuriates so many of our athiest friends. I guess then a ground rule should be laid--and really it has been but should be enforced--that there is to be no judging another person's salvation, or lack thereof. Or if there is to be judging, then in the vast majority of cases, keep it to yourself! Disagree with someone's beliefs, not thier personal relationship with God, which is something no one other than God and that person know about.

I think you guys are asking too much of a discussion forum. After a while, you'll start to get discussion "gridlock" because people won't even know what they can say and what they can't say. Plus, you'll always have newcomers who don't know the "etiquette", and they will make a post that will start a two page discussion of what everyone's interpretation of the rules are.

Look at what has happened just with this idea. There are 3 or 4 threads on the subject already.

Just LIVE, just BE.

[wzippler]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

I think I'm missing out on something...I believe in the Trinity and I still believe God and Jesus to be seperate beings.

The traditional view of the trinity is one God three persons I know it is hard to understand the closest I can come to explaining it is think of one statue with the image of three different people represented on the one statue.

Some people believe that God is one God but represents himself in three ways. An earthbound example would be I am a mother, a daughter and a wife, but I am only one person.

Some people believe in more than one God The Father being a big god, the son being a small god.

[Padgett2]

Exactly. Lot's of different ways. And it may be that NONE of them are right.

[kaykay]

Originally Posted by magellan

I think you guys are asking too much of a discussion forum. After a while, you'll start to get discussion "gridlock" because people won't even know what they can say and what they can't say. Plus, you'll always have newcomers who don't know the "etiquette", and they will make a post that will start a two page discussion of what everyone's interpretation of the rules are.

Look at what has happened just with this idea. There are 3 or 4 threads on the subject already.

Just LIVE, just BE.

I agree. I think the only "rules" we can really lay down are the ones already in effect by CD- no personal attacks etc. Otherwise, too complicated and too difficult to "legislate."

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by magellan

I think you guys are asking too much of a discussion forum. After a while, you'll start to get discussion "gridlock" because people won't even know what they can say and what they can't say. Plus, you'll always have newcomers who don't know the "etiquette", and they will make a post that will start a two page discussion of what everyone's interpretation of the rules are.

Look at what has happened just with this idea. There are 3 or 4 threads on the subject already.

Just LIVE, just BE.

Well I live by the saying "live and let live" so I can agree strongly with your last statement. And of course not everyone is going to be PC 100% of the time, but the general understanding should be--and the TOS supports this--no personal attacks of any kind, only disagreeance with ideas and beliefs. Questioning someone's salvation stems into a personal attack.

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by wzippler

The traditional view of the trinity is one God three persons I know it is hard to understand the closest I can come to explaining it is think of one statue with the image of three different people represented on the one statue.

Some people believe that God is one God but represents himself in three ways. An earthbound example would be I am a mother, a daughter and a wife, but I am only one person.

Some people believe in more than one God The Father being a big god, the son being a small god.

I understand the traditional view of the Trinity, but I don't understand what problem Mormon's have with this belief.

[Miss Blue]

See, we are already arguing about the trinity and what kind of jackets we want