Christian & Jew unity? (Jewish, God, Christians, believe)

[FireballFL]

Originally Posted by SDBreaux

Tonight at 9 Eastern Time on CNN "God's Warriors" explores the Muslim faith and their impacts in politics. Tomorrow it's about Christians. Highly recommend watching this tonight.

Thank you for providing this, but I think I will seriously pass on this matter. The reason? I know that there are extremists in every group that represents a religion. It would be a rather moot point with me.

[shibainu]

Originally Posted by SDBreaux

I wasn't speaking for other people. I've questions Christianity and even Judaism before because they weren't the "first" religions. To me, that told me it was a made-up religion. Isn't Hinduism the first organized religion?

For a long time I held the belief that mankind uses religion to make themselves "feel better" and to explain things they could not understand. It's easy to wonder how a society of science can believe in prehistoric religions.

That said, I don't consider Islam a worthy root from Abraham. It's just as much "man-made" to me as, say, Scientology; people who came along and decided to organize their own beliefs.

Yeah - same could be said about Christianity, too, and it's likely.

Was hindu practice in all parts of the world at that time? If not than who cares if it was the first. I am sure that there was organized religion before hinduism.

[Ilovejazz]

Originally Posted by SDBreaux

That said, the Muslim takeover in the world (it is happening gradually), reminds me of the period when Christianity converted the Pagans.

Although Christians have carried out their threats of forced conversions or death throughout the centuries, fortunately, they didn't quite kill or force their coversions on all of us pagans..

[Ilovejazz]

Originally Posted by gospelsaves

My personal view is that God gave the land to Israel and it belongs to them. That being said I realize that millions of Muslims wholeheartedly disagree with that and they have lived in that land for a long long time. So it’s unrealistic to think they will just hand over the land to Israel with out a fight. And even if they left where would all those millions of people go?

A few facts, which apparently few realize today. Jews have always lived in the land. After WWII, nearly 800,000 Jewish Arabs were forced out of their homes. Countless others in Europe, returning to their homes after miraculously surviving the Holocaust, were either forced out or KILLED.

Nearly 80% of Palestine became a Muslim nation (Jordan) in the early 1920s. The tiny part left was to be divided up between a Palestinian state and a Jewish state right after WWII. The Muslim Arabs refused. They wanted domination of the entire Middle East. Israel was declared a nation by the United Nations. Immediately after, many of the Arab Muslims living there were told by other Arab nations to leave Israel because the other Arab nations surrounding Israel were going to attack Israel. And they did.

The ONLY reason there is a Middle East conflict is that the Arabs hung around the refugee camps and did not move on. They were much more valuable as pawns, and history has made them the ultimate victims. However, more Jews were displaced after WWII, and they never been allowed back into their homes.

[stellar]

Exactly, and the Jews drove around Palestine when the British were about to pull out, (leaving the outnumbered Jews basically to be slaughter,) telling the Arabs to stay in their homes!! This is photographed and filmed, and recorded by historians everywhere. It was the Arab leaders who told them to leave!! What is not being discussed is that this is not just a religious right to the land at this point, it is the home of millions of Jewish AND ARAB Israelis, those that stayed! The entirety of the Middle East and Africa was carved up after the World Wars, this is just reality now, and Israel has tried over and over to make peace. How long do we have to be attacked and slaughtered? Arafat and his Palestinian Authority did nothing for their people, except to embezzle the money to Arafat's wife Suha in Paris, France and his Swiss bank accounts, and to buy weapons to wage war against Israel, rather than to build an infrastructure and the state they claim they want. The reality is they do not want peace, they want the Jews out and to have all of the land, period. What do you do when the Palestinians, who NO ARAB COUNTRY TOOK IN or supports, other than sending money to the families of suicide bombers, what do you do when they shoot missiles into your towns, and come into your cities an blow up anything that walks. Maybe some of the sage posters here can come up with an actual solution rather than spout off armchair politics and judments, and social darwinism.

[shibainu]

That documentary was poorly put together.

[gospelsaves]

Originally Posted by Ilovejazz

A few facts, which apparently few realize today. Jews have always lived in the land. After WWII, nearly 800,000 Jewish Arabs were forced out of their homes. Countless others in Europe, returning to their homes after miraculously surviving the Holocaust, were either forced out or KILLED.

Nearly 80% of Palestine became a Muslim nation (Jordan) in the early 1920s. The tiny part left was to be divided up between a Palestinian state and a Jewish state right after WWII. The Muslim Arabs refused. They wanted domination of the entire Middle East. Israel was declared a nation by the United Nations. Immediately after, many of the Arab Muslims living there were told by other Arab nations to leave Israel because the other Arab nations surrounding Israel were going to attack Israel. And they did.

The ONLY reason there is a Middle East conflict is that the Arabs hung around the refugee camps and did not move on. They were much more valuable as pawns, and history has made them the ultimate victims. However, more Jews were displaced after WWII, and they never been allowed back into their homes.

Even if what you say is true this doesn't solve any problem. The Arab's aren't going to just give up their land without a fight which was my point.

Originally Posted by stellar

Maybe some of the sage posters here can come up with an actual solution rather than spout off armchair politics and judments, and social darwinism.

And Stellar didn’t you do the same thing in your quote? You didn’t mention any solution either. I don’t claim to have a solution, I was merely stating my opinions.

[Ilovejazz]

Originally Posted by gospelsaves

The Arab's aren't going to just give up their land without a fight which was my point.

They left on their own accord and then attacked their own country! And Jews were forced out of Arab countries, never allowed to return. Yet, the Arab propaganda machine has successfully managed to make Arabs the "victims." It's embarrassing that people accept the surface and don't dig deeper to find out just what really happened.

Israel has offered numerous extremely generous peace offers, and the Arabs have never even made a counter-offer. Nothing seems to be acceptable to them with the exception of annihilation of Israel and Jews.

[illinoisjustice]

Originally Posted by OKE

Concerning the Temple Mount in Jerusalem that belongs to the Jewish people.

That area is Mount Moriah where Abraham went to with his son Isaac when God tested his faith.

That is the area where King David built his city.

That is the area where King Solomon built The Temple which housed the Ark of The Covenant.

It is their land.

The muslim’s holy book the koran never once mentions the name Jerusalem.

Not one place is the name Jerusalem found in their koran.

And the muslim prophet mohammad took the story from the Bible about Abraham and Isaac and he replaced Isaac with Ishmael. That is plagiarism.

That land was given to the Jewish people by God.

The Bible is their deed to that land.

And the Bible as history goes back to the creation of the heavens and the earth and it the oldest account of that event.

OKE

See, when you make statements like these, it just takes any credibility from what you are saying. Just because the Quran did not mention the word Jerusalem by name, does not mean it was not mentioned it the Quran. I’m sure you know that Jerusalem is also referred to as the holy land, not to mention it is also called in the Quran as the land that we blessed, the land of figs and olives. Unless you think that when the Quran was talking about Moses and Jesus among many others, was actually talking about Jamaica or some other place.

But again, if your only argument and justification to the barbaric treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis, not to mention them stealing their land, merely 50 years ago, is that god gave the land to them, and the Bible is the only deed to that land, then I guess it is safe to say, your god is a very very cruel god. Not only did he establish a state for his chosen people on the blood of others, whose only fault happened to be that they lived there for 2000 years and more, but also He wants them to remain Jewish till Christ comes back, and then they have to convert, otherwise they will die. Sounds like a deceiving god to me.

Here is a fact, when Jews lived in Jerusalem; they were hardly the only people who lived there. In Jerusalem lived members of other tribes and races. Some of them are Canaanites and Phoenicians, of which descended people who lived in Palestine, including Arabs. Bear in mind the only connection the Jews have to the land is really spiritual. It is hard to argue that a Jew from Eastern Europe, or Ethiopia, or anywhere, has a right to live in Palestine, while the indigenous people who have been there for thousand years, lose that right, only because your interpretation of the bible says so.

[illinoisjustice]

Originally Posted by SDBreaux

That's what I thought! Islam is too new for me to take it seriously, at least spiritually. I just can't imagine believing Islam is "truth" when it was formed after Christianity, also a religion [Christianity] that was formed after Jewish teachings. I also can't imagine letting the Muslim's continue believing they are entitled to the holy land when they weren't a religion for thousands of years after the land was already promised to the Jews.

It is fasinating that you think that. Although Islam was founded after Judaism and Christianity, i still fail to see how that makes it less credible. I say fasinating, because do you think that American are less entitled to the USA since it was not ours to start with, and surely the USA is a pretty recent concept.