Heaven and Hell dont Exist (worship, God, Christian, evolution)

[dncngrl1964]

Originally Posted by Padgett2

So the souls of the serial killers, the child abusers, the pedophiles, even those that worship Allah, or or some other deity, are all part of the Christian God and are in his image. Right?

yes just as Charles Manson was born in his parents image.


we don't get to choose our children and God gave us free will to make the right or wrong choices
just as your parents gave you progressively through time

Eve was the first to defy her father and her son Cain was the first murderer.

also it doesn't have to be that these people are just products of their society either.
case in point
Mark Chapman
God fearin man from Duluth Ga
went to church
did the right things
Shot John Lennon 3 times and killed him


don't be so narrow minded
if for some crazy reason your child started to rob liquor stores and ended up killing someone
does that mean he is no longer in your image
and do you stop loving that child?
or do you do what you can.......

think about it

[Muhnay]

there have been some interresting replies so far. But I have a question..

What if Free Will was not given but is our birth right? how do we know that God gave us anything? Was there a time we did not have free will and if so is it recorded in history? I know there is a Power ( lets say God ) because I had an experiance that proved it to me, but besides blind faith how do you know there is even a god to give you anything?

[dncngrl1964]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

there have been some interresting replies so far. But I have a question..

What if Free Will was not given but is our birth right? how do we know that God gave us anything? Was there a time we did not have free will and if so is it recorded in history? I know there is a Power ( lets say God ) because I had an experiance that proved it to me, but besides blind faith how do you know there is even a god to give you anything?

If you had an experience that you say "proved it to you" why even ask?

[Muhnay]

Because maybe you haven't. Nice taking the easy way out instead of actually trying to answer any of the questions..

[famenity]

Originally Posted by dncngrl1964

If you had an experience that you say "proved it to you" why even ask?

As an atheist I liken the reliance on 'God' by the religious to the poor man betting every week on the lottery rather than concentrating on perfecting his cultural, educational and moral values.

But for the religious, even if they fail to redeem themselves here on Earth, can slip through the Pearly Gates with last minute reprieve from God.

No proof is needed "I can do anything here on Earth so long as I ask for forgiveness before death".

Good people everywhere have a simple wish, that blind faith will do the trick, if only everyone would believe, the entire world's people would be good.

[dncngrl1964]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

Because maybe you haven't. Nice taking the easy way out instead of actually trying to answer any of the questions..

I wasn't trying to find the easy way out
trust me on that one

I guess i came about the response I gave as if you were asking
not you asking me what my opinion was...
and the answer to that is it shouldn't matter to anyone what the extent of my belief system is...
I believe and that is enough

you believe and that may or may not be enough for you

would i kill my son because a little voice in my head said they were God and it should be done
heck no
he would then have to make an appearance to me and even then i probably wouldn't
would I be damned for defying God
Probably not...
Eve wasn't
would I be denied admission to heaven
maybe so
but I would enjoy my time on earth with my son
and that would be heaven enough

[dncngrl1964]

Originally Posted by famenity

As an atheist I liken the reliance on 'God' by the religious to the poor man betting every week on the lottery rather than concentrating on perfecting his cultural, educational and moral values.

But for the religious, even if they fail to redeem themselves here on Earth, can slip through the Pearly Gates with last minute reprieve from God.

No proof is needed "I can do anything here on Earth so long as I ask for forgiveness before death".

Good people everywhere have a simple wish, that blind faith will do the trick, if only everyone would believe, the entire world's people would be good.

people would love to think it is that easy and some will swear it is
but it is not

[BRORED]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I stay with my belief in God and His word which says there is a hell and Heaven and Jesus is the only way to Heaven.

ROMANS 8:16! "has the spirit borne you witness?"
have you not read "that he who made them male and female" made them to live forever in the extended borders of Eden. "LAZURAS is dead" quote: "sleeping" what is the point of the reserection .... no wonder Lazuras did not say.... what the heck is happening here i have been in paradise for 4 days.... come on! why bring me back here?
Mary and Marther said they had FAITH in the rersection in the "last day"
LAST DAY! CONCLUSION OF THIS SYSTEM OF THINGS "SATANS SYSTEM"
"HELL, HADIES" does any one never find the root meaning before they opinionate (gr)(heb) yes... it is simply the common grave.
you see hadies will give up their dead.... in the reserection!
yes! the bible does talk about a heavenly reserection. Jesus was the first and he was going to prepair a way for REV 14:1 a priestly class that will bring the "whole"(all who submit to Christ now) of obedient mankind back in to a relationship with our hevenly father REV 21:4...

TO ILLISTRATE: IF YOU EVER WENT ON A FOREIGN TRIP? OR EVEN DOWN YOUR MATES ..... IS IT LONG FOR YOU TO CRAVE TO BE BACK HOME?

so it is with us EARTH is our home it is unique and can be a beautiful place, "IF" we all subit to one king: Jesus Christ and LOVE YOUR NEIGBOUR AS YOUR SELF to which the whole law hangs "MOSAIC" that is!

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by Muhnay

there have been some interresting replies so far. But I have a question..

What if Free Will was not given but is our birth right? how do we know that God gave us anything? Was there a time we did not have free will and if so is it recorded in history? I know there is a Power ( lets say God ) because I had an experiance that proved it to me, but besides blind faith how do you know there is even a god to give you anything?

I'd say that there IS a time when we are without free will. I'd say that we are born with free will and are separated from the animals of the earth in that we become "Conscious" or "aware of what oneself is doing". I believe that pets approach this state just because of the mere fact that they are around us so much, it "rubs off on them" so to speak. Children, however, don't display this right away. It is believed by some (Carl Jung) that children don't attain this state until their brain develops the capacity to "remember" or put together a stream of thoughts.

Many creatures on this earth don't have this capacity and I call them food. They don't have to "toil" over such things as what to wear or where's the next meal coming from or how will I pay the mortgage, but they have instinct to rely upon.

Until we become "Conscious", we don't got to worry about anything. But along with worry and struggle comes growth, right? Imagine a world of robots. No free will. It's a constant Pat Boone Song! I'd like to stick a fish hook into my cornea.

Ego is the psychological expression of the combination of all bodily senses. Personality is the strongest and most complex. Reality, however, has the ability to cast all conscious thoughts to the background with a mere feeling. For example- you're sitting there, being all pious and $*!#, thinking about God...then, all of a sudden- "Where the ph*% are my keys?"

God, or Creator of the Universe, Universal Mind, Creative Intelligence, or Czar of the Heavens, or whatever you want to call It, exists whether your pea brain wants to acknowledge it or not. You can philosophize over it all you want, without fear of death- thanks to Socrates and the like.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by dncngrl1964

people would love to think it is that easy and some will swear it is
but it is not

It's only as easy as your own religion makes it for you to believe in. Some Christian religions ask that you only believe. Others make you define it in your actions, in particular tithing and proving it. It seems that this is more of a church defined burden than a personal defined burden. You say it's not easy, but that's probably a product of your church speaking. Regardless, I agree, heaven and hell do NOT exist. Neither does God or the Devil, so to me, it seems very easy.