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It's only as easy as your own religion makes it for you to believe in. Some Christian religions ask that you only believe. Others make you define it in your actions, in particular tithing and proving it. It seems that this is more of a church defined burden than a personal defined burden. You say it's not easy, but that's probably a product of your church speaking. Regardless, I agree, heaven and hell do NOT exist. Neither does God or the Devil, so to me, it seems very easy.
we can all berry our heads in the sand at some point, but ever looked at the stars at night, ever tried to name each one of them ever wondered why we are just the right distance from the sun that we dont burn up to far away and freeze... ever wondered why we humans in gods image are able to create think make a desision, ever looked at the complexed alternator on a car ? now look at the "flagellar motor" we imitate our creator.......
sorry darwin and his monkeys are still trying to put the square block into the round hole... lol
we can all berry our heads in the sand at some point, but ever looked at the stars at night, ever tried to name each one of them ever wondered why we are just the right distance from the sun that we dont burn up to far away and freeze... ever wondered why we humans in gods image are able to create think make a desision, ever looked at the complexed alternator on a car ? now look at the "flagellar motor" we imitate our creator.......
sorry darwin and his monkeys are still trying to put the square block into the round hole... lol
It only stands to reason that if we were too close or too far from the sun to survive, than I would not be here typing right now. Big deal. It is just so, not because of a special man in the sky, it is just so because that's the way the universe works sometimes. I don't have to believe in God to believe that a lucky number is punched every once in a while. People say the chances of this are one in billions. I say, so what? Clearly, with every star in the sky out there, and yes there are billions of them, there had to be a star that had a planet somewhere that could support life. That doesn't bother me.
Have I ever looked at a complex alternator on a car? I don't see what you're getting at other than we designed it? Is that what you're saying? Wow, I say look at the Hope Diamond, the world's largest uncut diamond. No amount of technology on today's earth can produce a diamond of such astonishing beauty. We can recreate the earth's forces in a laboratory but we still cannot seem to quite make a diamond of this caliber. This is something the earth has created on it's own, and no amount of human technology has stood up to it yet. The earth can create it's own things with it's own forces that are just as complex and beautiful of anything man creates. Remember, man uses almost entirely earthen products to create his own things.
I don't understand what you are getting at by the flagellar motor imitating our creator. Could you explain that a little bit further?
And as far Darwin and his monkeys are concerned, you can laugh all you want, but at least I can see evolution's handiwork. God, on the other hand, cannot be proven to have done anything. You look at the stars in the sky, and it befuddles you how anything could be done without the use of a creator. But, a simple understanding of E=MC2 is all that you should have to know.
flagellar motor? paste it into int expl and see the complexity of just a simple little cell, look at an alternator and you will see what i mean....
"once upon a time"... is not like "in the begining God created the heavans and the earth"
some of us, as was i ,was just ignorent of what is around us, and yet we were looking through the little two complexed camera lenses "in colour may i add" and yet we cant see further than the plate we eat from.... food..mmmm. thats another little gift!
flagellar motor? paste it into int expl and see the complexity of just a simple little cell, look at an alternator and you will see what i mean....
"once upon a time"... is not like "in the begining God created the heavans and the earth"
some of us, as was i ,was just ignorent of what is around us, and yet we were looking through the little two complexed camera lenses "in colour may i add" and yet we cant see further than the plate we eat from.... food..mmmm. thats another little gift!
its good to reason........
Ah ok, I see what you are getting at now. I misunderstood you, I thought you meant that we represent flagellar motors
I didn't realize this was going to be an argument on the flagellar motor but here you go. If you want to compare a flagellar motor to an alternator, then I have one question. If you remove 40 parts from an alternator, I don't care what they are, screws, windings, diodes, just pick any 40 parts from an alternator, will you have a functional alternator? No, you will most likely not. However, if you look at a flagellar motor and you take away 40 of it's 50 parts it leaves you with STILL a working object. It is the Type III secretory system of the flagellum, and is fully functional. What does this say for the Intelligent Design for evolution argument? Well, it tells me that the Intelligent Design argument is one that if you were to take away any part of the flagellar motor than you would not have a functional flagella. However, this is simply not true, and yes, this is laboratory tried, tested, and true, that when you take away not one part, not two parts, but FORTY parts of a flagellar bacteria it still functions because one part has independently evolved to support the other part. Michael Behe's (an ID scientist) forgot to mention that in his argument.
Still interested? Perhaps I have not explained it will enough. Ken Miller does a fantastic job of it, and you should watch his other videos, perhaps it will open your eyes a bit.
Unfortunately for you, the truth will only become evident after you die, and then it's too late...forever.
Well, if I'm wrong, than I guess it will be too late. Of course, if you're wrong and all this time you were supposed to be worshipping the Aztec God of the Sun and have not been performing your sacrificial rituals than it too will be too late for you.
Well, if I'm wrong, than I guess it will be too late. Of course, if you're wrong and all this time you were supposed to be worshipping the Aztec God of the Sun and have not been performing your sacrificial rituals than it too will be too late for you.
Great post, why don't we start a new religion composed of all of them so as to obviate this tricky problem?
So any ideas what to call this new amalgam?
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