Would you kill for God? (disciples, prophets, punishment, Satanoid)

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by dojilynn

You have to look at this in the proper context. There was quite a bit of history behind this event. God had been promising Abraham that he would have as many descendants as there are stars in the sky. The only problem was that Sarah was barren. Finally, in her old age, Sarah conceived and gave birth to Isaac. This was the son God had promised. Then, God says to offer him as a sacrifice. For Abraham to honor this command meant that he fully trusted God to honor his promise to give Abraham more descendents. You can look at this however you like, but when the rubber meats the road, you have to realize that God did not allow the sacrifice to take place. He intervened once he knew that Abraham intended to obey. Then God provided another sacrifice, so that Isaac could live.

You see a God who orders a murder.

I see a God who is loving and provides a way where there seems to be no way.

Whoa, hold on a second though. Had Abraham balked at the notion he would have "failed gods faith test" so that doesn't get you around the point as to whether you would be willing to kill if commanded by god. God has commanded people to kill, wage war etc. in many parts of the bible....you forget what he personally did to Sodom & Gomorrah? Ivasion of the philistines? Woe brought unto Egyptians? This is not an indictment of God in any way....just the facts that God wants us to be kind and loving but he will "open up" on sinners etc. on occasion. This is quite clear.

For me personally, I think I'd have to be REALLY sure it was really *GOD* instructing me to kill and not someone else.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by satanoid

*cough* abraham! *cough*
Genesis 22
‘Abraham!’ And he said, ‘Here I am.’ He said, ‘Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt-offering on one of the mountains that I shall show you.’

God DID command his loyal servant abraham to murder his son.

Abraham had enough FAITH to KNOW that he would return with his son, he said before they left WE will be back.

[Magnum Mike]

Originally Posted by satanoid

So, is god too busy to kill Osama Bin Laden himself?

This administration hasn't been able to manage it, so if W is so tight with the guy upstairs... why is it Bin Laden has lived such a long, long life?

Because that's what bin Laden wants, to be a "martyr", and if we killed him, he would have gotten what he wanted.

Let him suffer until his last day on earth, then let God judge him.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by JerZ

This is an interesting answer because if God is really all-knowing, all-seeing, etc., then he would have already known whether Abraham was an obedient man or not. He wouldn't have to test him.

It's good to see you posting again here, JerZ, wonder how long it will take us to drive you crazy again!

Your post above made me think about the other thread on predestination and free-will, and I think that's really what you are saying. If God knows the outcome, why use the process as proof of a test.

Well, all I can say is that God's perfect, predestined will is for mankind to love and follow Him, however, we are still ultimately responsible for either choosing God's will for our lives or choosing our own.

Probably doesn't make sense to many, but I believe it to be true.

Here's my post over there... http://www.city-data.com/forum/1696052-post12.html

[famenity]

Originally Posted by Magnum Mike

Because that's what bin Laden wants, to be a "martyr", and if we killed him, he would have gotten what he wanted.

Let him suffer until his last day on earth, then let God judge him.

Does this rule apply to anyone else?

[Padgett2]

Originally Posted by Magnum Mike

Because that's what bin Laden wants, to be a "martyr", and if we killed him, he would have gotten what he wanted.

Let him suffer until his last day on earth, then let God judge him.

True, very true......and of course, this means that the Muslems will be judged by the Christian God, not Allah.....right?

[Tricky D]

The muslims do not believe that there is a difference between Allah and the Christian God.
But I don't think they believe in a holy trinity.

[Pathwalker]

Originally Posted by satanoid

So, if you could save 1000 souls by irrevocably tainting your own soul... you wouldn't do it?

What is one eternity in hell compared to a thousand souls guaranteed an eternity of bliss in heaven?

Are you willing to eternally consign your own soul to an eternity in burning flames if it meant saving 1000 souls?

Not such an easy question to answer, is it?

Not even Jesus had to spend an eternity in hell to save people.

[satanoid]

I don't believe in souls, but yes. You can do whatever you like with my soul... I don't need it.

And if I did believe in souls, hell, etc - most certainly yes... the suffering of one is less than the suffering of a thousand.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by satanoid

I don't believe in souls, but yes. You can do whatever you like with my soul... I don't need it.

And if I did believe in souls, hell, etc - most certainly yes... the suffering of one is less than the suffering of a thousand.

So you would sacrifice your life in order to save millions?
Sacrificing something you do not need is not a sacrtifice at all.