Is it a sin to abuse animals? (philosophy, origin, about)

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Like the Nazis you base your truth on ideology and not reality.

Actually, I think jinxor is basing his/her beliefs on the reality of the Bible. You have the option of rejecting that but it's unfair to call that ideology and compare jinxor's belief system to that of the Nazis.

Come on, Tricky D.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by c81

No, it's like saying "if you are a vegetarian you do not eat meat. If you eat meat you are not a vegetarian". Tricky, when will you learn??!!

Oke maybe I should have said: You are either a Christian or a homosexual, there are no Christian homosexuals. I strongly disagree with this statement, but then again I'm no Christian.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Actually, I think jinxor is basing his/her beliefs on the reality of the Bible.

The reality of the bible is not the same as reality. A Christian bases his beliefs on the Bible and a Nazi bases his beliefs on the reality Hitler describes in his book Mein Kampf.
To me they are both ideologies.
The only thing which is true is reality, not what is written in books.
Even science books base their science on reality, otherwise what they describe is not truth.

I am not saying that Christians are as evil as Nazis. I am just saying that they are both ideologies.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

The reality of the bible is not the same as reality.

...according to you....

[BudinAk]

Originally Posted by waiting

What about torturing animals or mistreating them before they're butchered?
Should animals be treated well, another words, until they are killed for food?
What are your thoughts on this?
Thanks for your input.

IMO: yes, it is a sin to torture animals, whether they are going to be butchered, or not. Animals to be eaten should be "dispatched" cleanly and quickly...so that they do not linger in pain. My 2 cents worth...

Bud

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

...according to you....

No it is a fact not an opinion. The bible, unlike reality, does not change (unless someone rewrites every bible and changes it's content each and every day to keep up with the changes in reality) ergo the bible cannot be reality.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Originally Posted by Alpha8207No it is a fact not an opinion. The bible, unlike reality, does not change (unless someone rewrites every bible and changes it's content each and every day to keep up with the changes in reality) ergo the bible cannot be reality.

I won't go any farther hijacking this thread and carrying it off topic, but not all reality changes.

The weather changes. The need for oxygen does not.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

The weather changes. The need for oxygen does not.

Untrue, when I'm dead I won't need oxygen.

Anywayz, the bible as a book and it's stories within are only a part of reality thus cannot be reality. Being a real object is not the same as being all of reality.
Nothing stops you from believing that the bible describes all of reality so that is why it is called a religion (or ideology).
The bible only describes reality as it SHOULD be, not how it actually is or how it actually will be.

[Alpha8207]

To return to the OP, I believe it's a sin to abuse anything or anyone, including animals.

I don't believe harvesting an animal for food is a sin as long as it's done in the most humane way possible and the animal's meat is consumed and not wasted.

I believe that uselessly wasting any food is a huge problem when millions around the world are dying of starvation and Americans are dying of obesity.

What's wrong with that picture?

[FredNotBob]

Originally Posted by waiting

What about torturing animals or mistreating them before they're butchered?
Should animals be treated well, another words, until they are killed for food?
What are your thoughts on this?
Thanks for your input.

From both a personal and religious point of view:

If anyone abuses an animal in my apartment, I'll personally throw them out. No second chances, no 'breaks': if you attack an animal in my home, you're no longer welcome.

Religiously, I think that our fuzzy (or scaly, or whatever-y) friends should be treated with great respect, as I see them as manifestations of divine energy, worthy of protection and care.