Religion will eventually become obsolete (Islamic, Muslim, Christ, children)

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by Nikk

I pray to God that religions will become obsolete.

I think that religion is wrong. We should all only have a loving relationship with our creator: God the Father, Jesus his Son and the Holy Spirit.

Then you are praying for the obsolesence of your own religion?
Why do some Christians keep saying that they do not believe in religion?
If they did not, they would not believe that Jesus is God's son or God himself or anything more than a regular man.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by b. frank

Then you are praying for the obsolesence of your own religion?
Why do some Christians keep saying that they do not believe in religion?
If they did not, they would not believe that Jesus is God's son or God himself or anything more than a regular man.

No b.frank, religion is the man-made portion of our faith. Just read the gospels, Jesus Christ flew in the face of religious traditions and religious leaders all through the gospels.

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

No b.frank, religion is the man-made portion of our faith. Just read the gospels, Jesus Christ flew in the face of religious traditions and religious leaders all through the gospels.

Yes, Jesus did, and that is one of the reasons that the people who believed in him created a RELIGION based on him, which is why he is revered as a prophet today.
I guess this is another fundamental difference between the religious and non-religious. Are "you guys" saying that Christianity is so true that it transcends religion? That idea combined with all the talk of atheism as a religion implies that Christians think of religion as a bad thing in general. And that is highly ironic to us non-religious people who acknowledge that Jesus would not be recognized as anything special today if it were not for the R-word.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by b. frank

Are "you guys" saying that Christianity is so true that it transcends religion?

YES!

Originally Posted by b. frank

That idea combined with all the talk of atheism as a religion implies that Christians think of religion as a bad thing in general.

YES WE DO!!!!

Originally Posted by b. frank

And that is highly ironic to us non-religious people who acknowledge that Jesus would not be recognized as anything special today if it were not for the R-word.

It's semantics really. There's a difference in the mind of this Christian in the religion of Christianity and religious Christianity.

My faith is based on a one on one relationship with the object of it, Jesus Christ.

[cg81]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

YES!

YES WE DO!!!!

It's semantics really. There's a difference in the mind of this Christian in the religion of Christianity and religious Christianity.

My faith is based on a one on one relationship with the object of it, Jesus Christ.

...Amen!

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

It's semantics really. There's a difference in the mind of this Christian in the religion of Christianity and religious Christianity.

My faith is based on a one on one relationship with the object of it, Jesus Christ.

Well I can (barely) understand that.
But you still say you believe in Christianity, no? How could you not?
Isn't this really a way to rectify all of the many divergent Christian views (i.e. a way to say that your particular denom. is right without saying that others are necessarily wrong)?
Very perplexing. Also, it's another thing that appears unique to Christians. I haven't heard of any devout Jews or Muslims who say that they think religion is a bad thing. And I never hear: "I am a Christian but I think Christianity is bad" or even, "I believe in Christ but I think Christianity is bad." What gives?

I notice that despite your emphatic YES responses to some of my questions, you did not answer that way to this one that was in there: "Do you hope (pray) that Christianity becomes obsolete?" It seems that you cannot or will not say YES to that, but the rest of your post implies that you should. Of course, if you did, that would make no sense either.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by b. frank

Well I can (barely) understand that.
But you still say you believe in Christianity, no? How could you not?
Isn't this really a way to rectify all of the many divergent Christian views (i.e. a way to say that your particular denom. is right without saying that others are necessarily wrong)?
Very perplexing. Also, it's another thing that appears unique to Christians. I haven't heard of any devout Jews or Muslims who say that they think religion is a bad thing. And I never hear: "I am a Christian but I think Christianity is bad" or even, "I believe in Christ but I think Christianity is bad." What gives?

I notice that despite your emphatic YES responses to some of my questions, you did not answer that way to this one that was in there: "Do you hope (pray) that Christianity becomes obsolete?" It seems that you cannot or will not say YES to that, but the rest of your post implies that you should. Of course, if you did, that would make no sense either.

OK.

I'll try and explain.

I often say "I'm a Christian but I hate religion" or "I'm a Christian but I think religion is bad." I say it all the time. I actually had to have a discussion with some of the parents of my youth group when they went home and told their folks I had said that. See, their parents are religious. I'm not.

I simply have faith.

Of course I don't pray that Christianity becomes obsolete. But I do hope religion does. Again, Christianity is a relationship with Christ. Religion is a man-made process designed to help herd the masses through enough ritual and tradition to be 'good enough' to please God. All Christianity requires is a "Yes, I'll follow."

No religion involved at all.

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

OK.

I'll try and explain.

I often say "I'm a Christian but I hate religion" or "I'm a Christian but I think religion is bad." I say it all the time. I actually had to have a discussion with some of the parents of my youth group when they went home and told their folks I had said that. See, their parents are religious. I'm not.

I simply have faith.

Of course I don't pray that Christianity becomes obsolete. But I do hope religion does. Again, Christianity is a relationship with Christ. Religion is a man-made process designed to help herd the masses through enough ritual and tradition to be 'good enough' to please God. All Christianity requires is a "Yes, I'll follow."

No religion involved at all.

I can't accept your last statement.
Simply, if there were no religion called Christianity, there would be nothing to follow.
If you eschew religion, then you can't be a Christian.
And if you follow Christ, then you are religious.
You see, Christianity IS a religion. That is a given and I can't accept any other interpretation. It's like saying a cat is a dog because a "cat" is just a man-made idea while dogs are the Truth. Makes no sense and has no bearing on reality. For me, this is a whole new level of logical fallacy to fit into my view of Christianity.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by b. frank

I can't accept your last statement.
Simply, if there were no religion called Christianity, there would be nothing to follow.
If you eschew religion, then you can't be a Christian.
And if you follow Christ, then you are religious.
You see, Christianity IS a religion. That is a given and I can't accept any other interpretation. It's like saying a cat is a dog because a "cat" is just a man-made idea while dogs are the Truth. Makes no sense and has no bearing on reality. For me, this is a whole new level of logical fallacy to fit into my view of Christianity.

A person on an island could become a Christian without any knowledge of religion.

religion - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

A relationship with Christ doesn't really fit any of the definitions at the above link.(maybe 1b1)

[b. frank]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

A person on an island could become a Christian without any knowledge of religion.

OK, I was waiting for a wall to hit me and here it is.
I simply don't believe what you wrote up there. I know that you do though, so...uh...it's another draw.