Religion will eventually become obsolete (grace, punishment, believing, Judaism)

[MontanaGuy]

urbanlemur wrote:

Most, if not all the world's ills are as a result of thinking for themselves. There are also many wonderful things brought about too but they are far and few between comparitively.

That's truly an unbelievable statement. Every single advancement in human history, 100%, is the result of someone who decided to think for themselves. Consider the fact that every single advancement in medicine, agriculture, mathematics, building construction and every other human endeavor happened because a single individual contemplated a certain problem in a way that no one had before them and came up with an improvement that helped the human race to incrementally build upon existing knowledge. If people were led like sheep we'd still be fighting over scraps of meat in a cave somewhere or more likely we'd have become extinct.

[Marodi]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

urbanlemur wrote:

That's truly an unbelievable statement. Every single advancement in human history, 100%, is the result of someone who decided to think for themselves. Consider the fact that every single advancement in medicine, agriculture, mathematics, building construction and every other human endeavor happened because a single individual contemplated a certain problem in a way that no one had before them and came up with an improvement that helped the human race to incrementally build upon existing knowledge. If people were led like sheep we'd still be fighting over scraps of meat in a cave somewhere or more likely we'd have become extinct.

ehh.... that's a flawed statement, especially in modern history. Virtually everything done in the last century has been discovered/created by groups of people.

[MontanaGuy]

Marodi wrote:

ehh.... that's a flawed statement, especially in modern history. Virtually everything done in the last century has been discovered/created by groups of people.

Really?, as I recall Einstein was not a prominent scientist and then he suddenly took the world by storm when he proposed special relativity and general relativity which no one had even conceived of. It's true that when a known approach to understanding anything becomes a large scale effort such as the invention of the atomic bomb that it requires a large number of people but it's also true that individuals are quite capable of opening up completely new concepts because the organized groups are trying to pursue something that someone has already established and they're just trying to fill in the blanks.

[urbanlemur]

That's truly an unbelievable statement.

Ok, tell that next time to the family whose husband was shot dead by someone who decided they wanted to think for themselves and shoot the first person they see. Tell that to the millions of people who are homeless and forced out of their countries because someone thought for themselves and decided they wanted to take over the country. Like I said, there are many wonderful things that have come as result of thinking for themselves but I guess you didn't read that part of my comments. Man has an inherently sinful nature and when they think for themselves, oftentimes it can result in actions that are less than pure.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by urbanlemur

Ok, tell that next time to the family whose husband was shot dead by someone who decided they wanted to think for themselves and shoot the first person they see. Tell that to the millions of people who are homeless and forced out of their countries because someone thought for themselves and decided they wanted to take over the country. Like I said, there are many wonderful things that have come as result of thinking for themselves but I guess you didn't read that part of my comments. Man has an inherently sinful nature and when they think for themselves, oftentimes it can result in actions that are less than pure.

Hmmmm... Perhaps I'm taking this the wrong way, but is the only reason you don't storm into someone's house and shoot them your belief in Jesus?

[Marodi]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

Marodi wrote:

Really?, as I recall Einstein was not a prominent scientist and then he suddenly took the world by storm when he proposed special relativity and general relativity which no one had even conceived of. It's true that when a known approach to understanding anything becomes a large scale effort such as the invention of the atomic bomb that it requires a large number of people but it's also true that individuals are quite capable of opening up completely new concepts because the organized groups are trying to pursue something that someone has already established and they're just trying to fill in the blanks.

Human G-nome, computers, most everything else in physics. Also there's the lightbulb, the airplane, etc etc. I'd say atleast 95% of physics has been discovered by groups of people, especially in quantum physics since it requires the use of particle accellerators. Even stephen hawking has assistants which help him. I don't know much about Einstein's processes to tell you how he worked.

Virtually everything you take advantage of in every day life was invented and created by groups of people.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by Marodi

Human G-nome, computers, most everything else in physics. Also there's the lightbulb, the airplane, etc etc. I'd say atleast 95% of physics has been discovered by groups of people, especially in quantum physics since it requires the use of particle accellerators. Even stephen hawking has assistants which help him. I don't know much about Einstein's processes to tell you how he worked.

Virtually everything you take advantage of in every day life was invented and created by groups of people.

I think you're confusing research found to support independent thought processes as opposed to the initial idea. I hate to bring this subject up as I know where it always leads, but Darwin broke free of the bounds of what all of science and scholarship of his era taught people and came up with a theory independently. He presented the idea, and people and science have refined it over the past 150 years. The initial assertion though, was a result of his independent thought process(es) and, as such, his theory has been proven tried and true over and over again.

I feel I have just opened Pandora's Box......

[Marodi]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

I think you're confusing research found to support independent thought processes as opposed to the initial idea. I hate to bring this subject up as I know where it always leads, but Darwin broke free of the bounds of what all of science and scholarship of his era taught people and came up with a theory independently. He presented the idea, and people and science have refined it over the past 150 years. The initial assertion though, was a result of his independent thought process(es) and, as such, his theory has been proven tried and true over and over again.

I feel I have just opened Pandora's Box......

Yeah, still, in the last century, the majority of scientific research has been completed by groups, with a few notable exceptions.

[.....think]

Thats funny because the Christain religion is the most unorginzed one out there and the most harmful but il tell you about that when this convo gets agressive.

Relgion probley will never be obsoleete Im an athiest so this isnt a bios opion. Its in Human nature to try to explain the unknow no mater how ridculous of an anwser it is. People want comfort that they will go on forever, thats because people are scared. They are scared of the end. Hell im a little freaked out of the end. so religions will go on and on.

The thing about the Christian religion, no mater how many times they are wrong they still thing there right which gets funny. how many people did Christians kill saying that the earth is the center. and the stories about noah and the arc, well thats disproved. more and more is being disproven, until that religion is just an idea not more a belief in a man and when one day they find out what really happened well then the religion will die.

Hindus and Buddhist will live on forever. They are by far the most moral religion and nothing the Buddhist have said has been wrong not sure about the hindus. They belief in asention which actually might be possible since we only use 6% of or brains. And seeing what scientist have found what we can do with are minds at 20% its deftly possible.

New religions will always appear and like always religion will be the main cause of death.

[urbanlemur]

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 53:1