tell me about your heaven and hell (grace, Revelation, gospel)

[nicolepsy]

i have read (and i like to believe it because it makes sense to me) that we all go to heaven and that what the hell part is all about (because i dont believe in the fiery pit thing) is that when you die and face god your whole life (every single second) is flashed before you and during this "movie" of your life you also feel every single emotion that went along with every single second of your life and the hell part of it is that as well as feeling every single emotion, you will also feel whatever you caused others to feel (meaning if you hurt someone then you will feel just as they felt) and this brings EXTREME GUT WRENCHING sorrow and pain when you realize what you did to people and how you made them feel. i guess the point of it (this version of hell that i read about) is to ask for forgiveness and finally learn to be a better person.

[Padgett2]

I think you are reading a lot into things that really aren't there.

First, not everyone believes there is a life after death. That's why they believe you make your own heaven or hell right here on earth. As a person ages, they reap the awards or punishments according to how they lived.

No one knows what happens after death. What you think is just as true and important as what anyone else thinks. It's something that YOU have to decide is right for YOU. To many people, it's just not an important thing to worry about. Whatever will be, will be. And that's it.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

I believe what the Bible says about an eternal Heaven and hell. Heaven is a perfect place that has more beauty than we could ever imagine and Jesus said the only way to enter into Heaven is through Him. Hell is eternity without God, a nasty, cold empty place for people who haven chosen to reject Jesus as Savior.

[CelticLady1]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I believe what the Bible says about an eternal Heaven and hell. Heaven is a perfect place that has more beauty than we could ever imagine and Jesus said the only way to enter into Heaven is through Him. Hell is eternity without God, a nasty, cold empty place for people who haven chosen to reject Jesus as Savior.

If hell is for those who have chosen to reject Jesus as Savior, (which indicates a deliberate decision), then it seems it would be safe to say that Heaven's population will be larger than what many Christians think. Based on this premise, at the very least, all those folks who have never heard about him, (over all these thousands of years), should be in good shape, because they didn't even have a chance to make that deliberate, conscious decision to reject Christ, in the first place, because they weren't given that choice. (Kind of hard to make a choice, if you don't know what's on the menu. It would be like the head chef getting angry with the patron, and making him start washing dishes, because he made the wrong choice. Yes, I know, it's a bad analogy, but it's the same concept).

The little guy in the jungle that all the missionaries try so hard to reach, is actually probably better off not hearing the Gospel, otherwise he is placed in the quandry of having to make the right decision now, or else. This way he won't have to worry about whether he made the right decision, as to what religion to follow, so he won't go to hell, (alot would depend, after all, on who reached him first, as to whether he got it right). And if one is concerned about any loopholes for the little guy, (that he must accept Jesus, else he can't enter Heaven), don't worry, I'd bet that God will take care of it. All he has to do is tell him about Jesus, as he's taking his last breath, and I'd say it's a pretty good bet that the little guy will "get in".

All the Christian folks who believe that they are going to have a great deal of room in Heaven had best check up on their realestate options there, because I suspect they will be rather surprised.

[Miss Blue]

We don't really know what the afterlife holds for us, whether we are worthy to be a part of it or if there is or isn't a place of eternal torment for the wicked..I think that most religions believe in an afterlife of some sort, but like the christian/believer can't prove what will be.. IMO, since I believe that there is a God who is the creator, then I have faith that he has created a place for us..If that place is called heaven, that is what I accept, because of faith in him..He did not give my human mind the capacity to fully know Him or His ways or the future, because He desires my love through faith..

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by CelticLady1

If hell is for those who have chosen to reject Jesus as Savior, (which indicates a deliberate decision), then it seems it would be safe to say that Heaven's population will be larger than what many Christians think. Based on this premise, at the very least, all those folks who have never heard about him, (over all these thousands of years), should be in good shape, because they didn't even have a chance to make that deliberate, conscious decision to reject Christ, in the first place, because they weren't given that choice. (Kind of hard to make a choice, if you don't know what's on the menu. It would be like the head chef getting angry with the patron, and making him start washing dishes, because he made the wrong choice. Yes, I know, it's a bad analogy, but it's the same concept).

The little guy in the jungle that all the missionaries try so hard to reach, is actually probably better off not hearing the Gospel, otherwise he is placed in the quandry of having to make the right decision now, or else. This way he won't have to worry about whether he made the right decision, as to what religion to follow, so he won't go to hell, (alot would depend, after all, on who reached him first, as to whether he got it right). And if one is concerned about any loopholes for the little guy, (that he must accept Jesus, else he can't enter Heaven), don't worry, I'd bet that God will take care of it. All he has to do is tell him about Jesus, as he's taking his last breath, and I'd say it's a pretty good bet that the little guy will "get in".

All the Christian folks who believe that they are going to have a great deal of room in Heaven had best check up on their realestate options there, because I suspect they will be rather surprised.

Well you're right about one thing, some of us maybe surprised when we see who's there and who's not. But as I have said before, Romans 1:19-20 tells us that God has given all people an inner sense of what He requires, no one will be able to stand before Him and say I didn't know.

[charolastra00]

I don't believe in an afterlife. It's wasteful to base you life around what will happen afterwards, IMO.

But if there is an afterlife and it is split in to Heaven and Hell, I would certainly hope to go to Hell. Who wants to be around such evil that Heaven would bring? People who don't seem to have a problem with most of the world suffering for eternity? Not exactly pleasant company, eh?

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by charolastra00

I don't believe in an afterlife. It's wasteful to base you life around what will happen afterwards, IMO.

But if there is an afterlife and it is split in to Heaven and Hell, I would certainly hope to go to Hell. Who wants to be around such evil that Heaven would bring? People who don't seem to have a problem with most of the world suffering for eternity? Not exactly pleasant company, eh?

Of course we have a problem with people suffering for eternity, why do think we keep spread'n the Word?

[cg81]

Originally Posted by nicolepsy

i have read ....... is that when you die and face god your whole life (every single second) is flashed before you and during this "movie" of your life you also feel every single emotion that went along with every single second of your life and the hell part of it is that as well as feeling every single emotion, you will also feel whatever you caused others to feel (meaning if you hurt someone then you will feel just as they felt) and this brings EXTREME GUT WRENCHING sorrow and pain when you realize what you did to people and how you made them feel. i guess the point of it (this version of hell that i read about) is to ask for forgiveness and finally learn to be a better person.

I believe that at the judgement, or end of the world, we will see in awful clarity everything that we have ever done... Those who have accepted Jesus' blood will have such an awe of His grace and forgiveness for their sin.. and those that haven't will feel like you described.. they will see how they rejected and missed their chance, but unfortunately there no longer will be a way to become a better person or be forgiven.

Originally Posted by Padgett2

First, not everyone believes there is a life after death.

Yes.. I have also heard of people who don't believe what the Bible says.

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I believe what the Bible says about an eternal Heaven and hell. Heaven is a perfect place that has more beauty than we could ever imagine and Jesus said the only way to enter into Heaven is through Him. Hell is eternity without God, a nasty, cold empty place for people who haven chosen to reject Jesus as Savior.

I agree! (altho I think of hell as a rather hot place... I believe in a literal, firy hell.)

Originally Posted by CelticLady1

If hell is for those who have chosen to reject Jesus as Savior, (which indicates a deliberate decision), then it seems it would be safe to say that Heaven's population will be larger than what many Christians think. Based on this premise, at the very least, all those folks who have never heard about him, (over all these thousands of years), should be in good shape, because they didn't even have a chance to make that deliberate, conscious decision to reject Christ, in the first place, because they weren't given that choice. (Kind of hard to make a choice, if you don't know what's on the menu. It would be like the head chef getting angry with the patron, and making him start washing dishes, because he made the wrong choice. Yes, I know, it's a bad analogy, but it's the same concept).

The little guy in the jungle that all the missionaries try so hard to reach, is actually probably better off not hearing the Gospel, otherwise he is placed in the quandry of having to make the right decision now, or else. This way he won't have to worry about whether he made the right decision, as to what religion to follow, so he won't go to hell, (alot would depend, after all, on who reached him first, as to whether he got it right). And if one is concerned about any loopholes for the little guy, (that he must accept Jesus, else he can't enter Heaven), don't worry, I'd bet that God will take care of it. All he has to do is tell him about Jesus, as he's taking his last breath, and I'd say it's a pretty good bet that the little guy will "get in".

All the Christian folks who believe that they are going to have a great deal of room in Heaven had best check up on their realestate options there, because I suspect they will be rather surprised.

It's not so much "following all the right rules and doing all the right things and saying "I'm now accepting Jesus" as following the inward call of God... If it were a thing that you "do" then yes, your points would apply...

Originally Posted by charolastra00

People who don't seem to have a problem with most of the world suffering for eternity? Not exactly pleasant company, eh?

Interesting thought... first we're berated for telling others the news, then we're told that we don't have a problem with others suffering for eternity! I guess we can't win.. but we're not promised that either!

[kaykay]

Originally Posted by cg81

Interesting thought... first we're berated for telling others the news, then we're told that we don't have a problem with others suffering for eternity! I guess we can't win.. but we're not promised that either!

The irony of that occurred to me too, cg! I would just add to this thread that we are not given a lot of specifics about either heaven or hell, but we do have glimpses from the words of Jesus, and other places in scripture. For example, when I think about hell, I think about the story Jesus told about the man who wanted to go back and warn his brother not to come to this place, and he was not permitted to do so. As far as Heaven we have words in Revelation about God wiping away every tear and there being no more sorrow or pain.