After we die do we go to straight to Heaven eternity? (churches, Holy Spirit)

[Tash1708]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

Hi Tash,
Since ILNC is not on the board right now I'll try to answer your questions. Consider Jesus' parable of Lazarus and the rich man. When Lazarus died, he was carried by angels straight to Abraham's bosom. The rich man died and went immediately to hell. The scriptures are found in Luke 16:19-31.

You said:


The final white throne judgment is for the un-Godly who are alive or already dead and are already in Hades waiting for judgment. This is a judgment deciding eternal destination. Christians will go directly to heaven and be judged according to their works and given their respective treasures they have stored up in heaven. The Bible is not clear on the judging process, so we can only speculate about that.

But the story of Lazarus and the rich man alone tells us that we go to one of two places immediately. There is no slumber. If you believe in the rapture.....the bodies of the righteous that are in the ground or spread about the earth will be "caught up" out of their resting places and will ascend into the heavens to meet with their own heavenly spirits to become the glorified bodies that the Bible speaks of. That's how we will be able to recognize one another.

I can't prove any of the above, but that's how I interpret the scriptures. I always wondered how it all connected, and these are the answers that I have discerned through the Holy Spirit, my own study and others such as pastors, doctors, theologians and evangelicals. None completely agree on all of it, but most who believe in the rapture have similar understandings of scriptures and prophecy.

Let me first get this straight i do not believe in purgatory. I believe that when you died it's like you're asleep and when Christ returns for judgement you will be awake. This is my proof: John 11:11-13, 23-24. It shows where Jesus was tells is disciples that Lazarus was sleeping (dead) and he goes to wake him up. When he did he went to the tomb and called Lazarus if you die and go to heaven or hell right away he didn't need to go to the tomb but just call him out of heaven.

Verse 23-24 shows where Jesus was telling Martha that his brother will rise again and Martha said "I KNOW HE WILL RISE AGAIN IN THE RESURRECTION ON THE LAST DAY"

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 states "for this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP. For the Lord himself will desend from heaven and shout with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of GOD: and the DEAD IN Christ SHALL RISE FIRST: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER with THEM in the clousa, to meet the LORD in the air: and so shall we ever be with the LORD. Wherefore comfort one another with THESE WORDS."

I have proven my belief to you now show me a scripture where it says that you go straight to heaven or hell when you die. And do not use the theif on the cross as that was a one time thing just as how Enoch was to the only man to be taken to heaven without even dying.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by Tash1708

Let me first get this straight i do not believe in purgatory. I believe that when you died it's like you're asleep and when Christ returns for judgement you will be awake. This is my proof: John 11:11-13, 23-24. It shows where Jesus was tells is disciples that Lazarus was sleeping (dead) and he goes to wake him up. When he did he went to the tomb and called Lazarus if you die and go to heaven or hell right away he didn't need to go to the tomb but just call him out of heaven.

Verse 23-24 shows where Jesus was telling Martha that his brother will rise again and Martha said "I KNOW HE WILL RISE AGAIN IN THE RESURRECTION ON THE LAST DAY"

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 states "for this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP. For the Lord himself will desend from heaven and shout with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of GOD: and the DEAD IN Christ SHALL RISE FIRST: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER with THEM in the clousa, to meet the LORD in the air: and so shall we ever be with the LORD. Wherefore comfort one another with THESE WORDS."

I have proven my belief to you now show me a scripture where it says that you go straight to heaven or hell when you die. And do not use the theif on the cross as that was a one time thing just as how Enoch was to the only man to be taken to heaven without even dying.

You haven't proven anything, you have stated your belief. DOTL and I have already quoted scripture that we believe says the opposite.

[Tash1708]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

You haven't proven anything, you have stated your belief. DOTL and I have already quoted scripture that we believe says the opposite.

Go read my last post and you will see me quoting scriptures i still say show me in the bible where it say that we will go to heaven or hell right when we die. And as i said if you go to heaven or hell right when you die what is the point of judgement day?

[brianrees]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

You want scripture here it is: 2 Corinthians 5:8 "Yes we are fully confident and we would rather be away from these bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord". Rev 19:14 "The armies of Heaven dressed in pure white linen, followed Him on white horses".
For those who believe in Christ, death is only a prelude to eternal life with God. We will continue to live. I do not believe we go straight to the grave.

Interesting... Horses in Heaven! They must be 'saved' horses, maybe.

And there was me thinking that animals had no souls... still, I'm delighted to be proved wrong on this one - thanks.

[brianrees]

These posts have their rightful place on the Christian forum - surely?

That is a specific site for Christian views, after all.

'Religion and Philosophy' is, (or should be), a forum reserved for wider debate generally ... and the current debate going on here is very specific to Christianity only.

I fully expect this post to be deleted as being 'inappropriate' or some such, but I think it is worth pointing out all the same. People wishing to know more about Christianity specifically should stick to the allocated territory, as it is boring for the non-believers on this particular forum. What if us atheists started a thread for ourselves on the Christianity forum -- I think we can guess what would happen to that!!

But for what it's worth - I don't think anyone is going anywhere when the grim reaper calls.

[Huckleberry3911948]

not all of us. acceptance does not always cut it, its also behavior, that is why the good lord made judgement day.
i got my asbestos suit in layaway.

[happy2live]

The Bible does not teach that the soul continues to exist on some other plane when a person dies. Speaking of the judgment, Jesus said, “Marvel not at this: FOR THE HOUR IS COMING, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” Jesus obviously looked forward to a time of judgment which had not yet taken place. He said that the dead were in their graves waiting till that day. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, THE HOUR IS COMING, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for THE HOUR IS COMING, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, In Acts 2:29 Peter is recorded as saying of David, “he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.” In verse 34 he adds, “For David is not ascended into the heavens.” Job expected to go to his grave at his death, as well. “If I wait, the grave is mine house.” Job 17:13. He did not expect to go to some other place. The Bible does not teach that people go into another realm of existence when they die.AND THERE IS A LOT MORE SCRIPTURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM! Many people believe that death is not the immediate end of life. Some people believe it is possible to receive messages and information from people who have died. This they see as proof that the soul is immortal and that when a person dies he or she goes on living in some other place. What kind of knowledge do the dead possess?Here’s what the Bible says: “The living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.” Ecclesiastes 9: 5, 6. It is apparent from these verses that the Bible teaches that all knowledge that a person may once have possessed vanishes when a person dies. Furthermore, a dead person no longer has any dealings with life on earth, for “neither have they any more portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.”It is clear from these Bible verses that when a person dies, he or she goes to the grave to await the day of judgment. The Bible teaches that death is the end of conscious life until Christ calls the dead from their graves on the day of judgment.Have you ever had surgery and were put to sleep until the surgeons completed their work on you? Did you know anything during the surgery? How long did it seem that you were under the anesthesia?I had cancer surgery in 2001. It was the first surgery for me so I was very nervous about what would happen to me during the surgery, but all I remembered was thinking "WHAT IN THE WORLD AM I DOING?" just as I drifted off into a deep sleep. Then I opened my eyes. It seemed that I had just taken a short nap, but I had been in the operating room for a couple of hours! I knew then that this is what it will be like when we close our eyes in death. THAT is why it is said in 2Corinthians 5:8 'We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be PRESENT WITH THE LORD. "It doesn't say that as soon as we are absent from the body, we will be present with the Lord!
When the doctors told me that I had cancer, I thought I was doomed! I began to go into a depression until a sweet caring minister of God came over 200 miles to sing a song to me and ask me one question. This is what he said to me, "You are a believer in the saving grace of Jesus Chrsit and that He is God's begotten son, right? So, what would be the worst thing that could happen to you?" I was shocked and replied, "Well, brother Lafferty, I could DIE!" At this he smiled and replied, "And wake up in the arms of Jesus!" At this ALL my worries and fears just melted away! The thing is that as a Christian, my life is in HIS loving capable ALMIGHTY hands! Weather I died or weather I stayed, I am a winner either either way! When I die, if I sleep the slumber of death for 2 seconds or a million years, I WILL WAKE UP IN THE ARMS OF JESUS! I PRAISE GOD FOR THAT! I don't mind a little while of resting in the arms of Jesus, or even the bosom of Abraham, if when I arise I am in HIS HOLY presence! And I hope and pray I see you there with me! Won't it be wonderful there?

[Barenda Donahay]

How do you explain my Near Death Experience when I was six years old. I was to young to know about Heaven or Hell. But I do know that as I was giving up on my drowning experience, when I ask God to help me and he took me from the waters and I rested in the arms of Jesus. I was safe, at peace and filled with more Love than I will ever find here on earth. After I was pulled from the waters and brought back to life I fought to return back to the water so I could go back where ever I was. I have never and will never forget that feeling of Love. So where did I go when I reached my death?

[FunkyMonk]

Originally Posted by Barenda Donahay

How do you explain my Near Death Experience when I was six years old. I was to young to know about Heaven or Hell. But I do know that as I was giving up on my drowning experience, when I ask God to help me and he took me from the waters and I rested in the arms of Jesus. I was safe, at peace and filled with more Love than I will ever find here on earth. After I was pulled from the waters and brought back to life I fought to return back to the water so I could go back where ever I was. I have never and will never forget that feeling of Love. So where did I go when I reached my death?

You had a religious experience. There are many places you could have gone to. What makes you so sure it was Jesus? What makes you think it must have been Biblical heaven? It could have been another spiritual plane of various types.

I had an experience just like that, it was also a near death experience. But I did not think it was Jesus.

[Preterist]

Originally Posted by Tash1708

Let me first get this straight i do not believe in purgatory. I believe that when you died it's like you're asleep and when Christ returns for judgement you will be awake. This is my proof: John 11:11-13, 23-24. It shows where Jesus was tells is disciples that Lazarus was sleeping (dead) and he goes to wake him up. When he did he went to the tomb and called Lazarus if you die and go to heaven or hell right away he didn't need to go to the tomb but just call him out of heaven.

Verse 23-24 shows where Jesus was telling Martha that his brother will rise again and Martha said "I KNOW HE WILL RISE AGAIN IN THE RESURRECTION ON THE LAST DAY"

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 states "for this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP. For the Lord himself will desend from heaven and shout with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of GOD: and the DEAD IN Christ SHALL RISE FIRST: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER with THEM in the clousa, to meet the LORD in the air: and so shall we ever be with the LORD. Wherefore comfort one another with THESE WORDS."

I have proven my belief to you now show me a scripture where it says that you go straight to heaven or hell when you die. And do not use the theif on the cross as that was a one time thing just as how Enoch was to the only man to be taken to heaven without even dying.

Greetings, Tash: The thief on the cross did not go to heaven as some here have stated. Paradise is not heaven. The thief went to Hades--the area in which Abraham waited with all the OT saints. There was a section of Hades where the righteous waited (Paradise) and a section for the wicked (see Luke 16). Jesus went there to proclaim His victory over death and Hades following His death on the cross!

If, as dispensationalists proclaim, Jesus has not yet returned, brought judgment, and emptied Hades, no one even now goes to heaven (or hell for that matter)! But Jesus promised that He would return in that first-century generation (Matthew 10, 16, 24; Revelation 1 and 22)! And He did. He destroyed Hades and brought full salvation--to include the resurrection! He also brought the final destination for the wicked--the lake of fire!

Preterist