are UFOs and extraterestrials real? (myths, Commandments, miracles, science)

[MontanaGuy]

Campbell34 wrote:

The prophecies of the Bible are not just right some of the time. They are right all of the time. And the Bible is clear on this.

The Bible is written in such a manner that Christians are always debating among themselves about what these prophecies even mean. Nothing is clearly stated in the Bible and of course it's been translated from different languages which adds to the confusion. I'm always hearing someone say that a particular word in a passage really has a different meaning because it was translated incorrectly. I also think this thread is one of the strangest ones I've seen on this forum. I had no idea that so many religious people incorporated ufo's and aliens into their belief systems.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by redbird4848

And I suggest you learn that Keel's delusions are just as real to him *(and you) as the delusions of any paranoid schizophrenic.

So whatever "unnatural happennings" followed Mr. Keel and his friends are now fuel for your faith-based interpretations.

Your religious beliefs are obviously going to override anything and everything you hear on the subject. Thank you for sharing your beliefs on the matter, but I'll have to pass the plate.

If these are nothing but delusions, how is it that thousands of people around the earth are sharing the same delusions? And often these delusions repeat their same destructive story line. I believe many paranoid scehizophrenics have had encounters with such beings that have been described. Yet often they are treated with drugs to surpress the area of the mind where reception is being received. This reception comes from demonic contact. That is why they often hear voices telling them to burn their babies, or God told me to kill my children, or God told me to kill my wife. It often comes in a form of an evil message or an evil act. We don't see to many positive things coming from these people, which should after a time make you wonder who is incouraging them to consider or carry out such evil acts. Often when they get off their meds, someone ends up hurt or dead. As I said, Mr. Keel I don't believe is a Christian, but he was able to point out how his encounters were similar to the encounters that have been described in the age old world of demonology. These encounters past and present have been well documented, and have been ignored by many. Your attempt to write this off as only a mental disorder, is way to simplistic. Especially when one considers how often God and bible personalities are often prominent in the effected persons delusions.
And often such people were not overly religious before the mental disorder occured.

[Aeroman]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

Campbell34 wrote:

The Bible is written in such a manner that Christians are always debating among themselves about what these prophecies even mean. Nothing is clearly stated in the Bible and of course it's been translated from different languages which adds to the confusion. I'm always hearing someone say that a particular word in a passage really has a different meaning because it was translated incorrectly. I also think this thread is one of the strangest ones I've seen on this forum. I had no idea that so many religious people incorporated ufo's and aliens into their belief systems.

I also had no idea that so many religious people believed in extraterrestrials and that they think they are evil spirits or some strange creation of the devil.

Kind of a shocking eye opener for me.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

Campbell34 wrote:

The Bible is written in such a manner that Christians are always debating among themselves about what these prophecies even mean. Nothing is clearly stated in the Bible and of course it's been translated from different languages which adds to the confusion. I'm always hearing someone say that a particular word in a passage really has a different meaning because it was translated incorrectly. I also think this thread is one of the strangest ones I've seen on this forum. I had no idea that so many religious people incorporated ufo's and aliens into their belief systems.

Without question often a verses true meaning my hang in the balance of just one word. Yet when we speak of the Jews and their return to Israel, the Bible has countless chapters speaking of this event. It goes into great detail on what will happen over in Israel and Jerusalem in the latter days. And that is why you can read about this prophecy in no less then four chapters of Ezekiel 36,37,38,and 39. Also it speaks of this event in Zec. chapter 12. In this chapter, it tells you how the Jews of this day will react when they finally see who their God is.
Christians have incorporated ufo's into their belief system, because they see them for who they really are. When you listen to the contact stories, their message reveals their true identity. They are not nice, they are not here to help mankind, they are here to deceive. They are nothing more than the age old demons of the past, only with a twenty first century spin. And they have a future agenda. The natural mind rejects the concept of such beings existing, yet millions of Americans and many around the world are beginning to believe that such crafts and beings do exist. And that is what they are preparing the world to believe.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

The prophecies of the Bible are not just right some of the time. They are right all of the time. And the Bible is clear on this. If someone tells you his prophecy comes from God and then that prophecy does not happen. Then that is the word God has not spoken. Now the Bible is the Book of God, and so when the Book predicts the future, you can believe that future will happen, and it will happen in detail. And if the prophecy does not occure, the Bible will point that out as well. God demands 100%, all other's who donot speak for God, their prophecies will fall short of that goal. That's why Jesus Christ fulfilled all 300 prophecies of the Old Testament. And that is why Christians knew in the 1800s and before, that the Jews would return to Israel and retake Jerusalem in the latter days. And that is why Christians know today that Jerusalems East Gate cannot be opened until Jesus Christ returns to open it Himself. And we also know that all attempts to open it will fail. The wrong moral lesson is to ignore the truth. And the prophecies of the Bible are true, and will be ignored by those who seek to create a false truth.

Look, there are many who do not believe that your Christ is the Messiah. I do not even know if he lived because his life seems to be an accumulation of folk god events of different cults that existed both in his day and in pre-Christian times.
The Catholic church basically put a bunch of books together that supported what suited them at the time. They hid the rest in the Vatican library, which nobody is allowed to browse through. They selected a version of some perhaps ficticious characters life that would draw surrounding religions into the flock, borrowing from their folk tales. They even selected 'holy days' that coincided with those religions. Afterwards, if these people had not been persuaded by the carrot to join Chrisitanity, many would be offered the choice to join or die.

None of the books of the bible are those written in 'real time'. The copies were written much later and trust people's memories, which is why in some,
Chirst is born in Bethlehem and others Nazzareth.

I, frankly, think the religion was put together in a bid for power during thoses days. I think much of the OT was similarly 'inspired' by writings in Egypt and other places. However, the Jews do not recruit people, and do not condem others to Hades if their religion is not accepted. Many Jewish people are incredibly clear thinkers and patriots and do not wish to depleat the US for the sake of Israel. I was born into a fundie Chirstian household and have learned what a sham it is in its dogma, threats, and promises. It's a pity that modern Christians cannot see the good and the evil in their religion and just keep the good. I think the Moslems are in the same boat as the Christians, but they probably come in various 'flavors' just as Christians do. Some probably just believe in 'live and let live'.

Maybe it is time that we all stop living in the past and learn to live together in the here and now. Sometimes religion will just drag you backwards and complicate already difficult issues.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

If these are nothing but delusions, how is it that thousands of people around the earth are sharing the same delusions? And often these delusions repeat their same destructive story line. I believe many paranoid scehizophrenics have had encounters with such beings that have been described. Yet often they are treated with drugs to surpress the area of the mind where reception is being received. This reception comes from demonic contact. That is why they often hear voices telling them to burn their babies, or God told me to kill my children, or God told me to kill my wife. It often comes in a form of an evil message or an evil act. We don't see to many positive things coming from these people, which should after a time make you wonder who is incouraging them to consider or carry out such evil acts. Often when they get off their meds, someone ends up hurt or dead. As I said, Mr. Keel I don't believe is a Christian, but he was able to point out how his encounters were similar to the encounters that have been described in the age old world of demonology. These encounters past and present have been well documented, and have been ignored by many. Your attempt to write this off as only a mental disorder, is way to simplistic. Especially when one considers how often God and bible personalities are often prominent in the effected persons delusions.
And often such people were not overly religious before the mental disorder occured.

We may, indeed, have areas of our brains and receive inspiration from other sources. But an inventor may get positive feedback from positive sources, without that source being of a god or a demon.

When Christ mentioned the many mansions, some regard it as many levels of existance and many sorts of beings, perhaps, dwell there. What I am saying is that existance may be a bell curve, with all sorts of creatures and motivations.

I do not believe all ET's are evil. Not in a long shot. I also think we hear mostly of the evil ones. On top of that, we have behaved in evil manners, as a species. I have never been able to be a vegetarian, and think some people are just not suited to it.

There really were people who thought airplanes would never work because the bible made no mention of them. Looking back, that seems ridiculous, but if you try to think of people in those days and put yourself in their place, it might seem like a logical conclusion for a dogma-believer.

It is a hard thing to have to look at your religion impartially. You need a hard core of your consciousness dwelling in reality first. I believe this is why so many fundies hate science. Science either works or not. It roots you in the 'real' world and also can inspire lofty visions. It points the way to unveiling mysteries. It moves and challenges. I do not dispute that we have a spiritual nature, but I also think it will be a worthy study for science, some day. Dogma just holds us back.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by goldengrain

Look, there are many who do not believe that your Christ is the Messiah. I do not even know if he lived because his life seems to be an accumulation of folk god events of different cults that existed both in his day and in pre-Christian times.
The Catholic church basically put a bunch of books together that supported what suited them at the time. They hid the rest in the Vatican library, which nobody is allowed to browse through. They selected a version of some perhaps ficticious characters life that would draw surrounding religions into the flock, borrowing from their folk tales. They even selected 'holy days' that coincided with those religions. Afterwards, if these people had not been persuaded by the carrot to join Chrisitanity, many would be offered the choice to join or die.

None of the books of the bible are those written in 'real time'. The copies were written much later and trust people's memories, which is why in some,
Chirst is born in Bethlehem and others Nazzareth.

I, frankly, think the religion was put together in a bid for power during thoses days. I think much of the OT was similarly 'inspired' by writings in Egypt and other places. However, the Jews do not recruit people, and do not condem others to Hades if their religion is not accepted. Many Jewish people are incredibly clear thinkers and patriots and do not wish to depleat the US for the sake of Israel. I was born into a fundie Chirstian household and have learned what a sham it is in its dogma, threats, and promises. It's a pity that modern Christians cannot see the good and the evil in their religion and just keep the good. I think the Moslems are in the same boat as the Christians, but they probably come in various 'flavors' just as Christians do. Some probably just believe in 'live and let live'.

Maybe it is time that we all stop living in the past and learn to live together in the here and now. Sometimes religion will just drag you backwards and complicate already difficult issues.

The New Testament has what we call the majority text, which was written in different time periods and comes to us from many different lands. These copies number in the thousands, and some before the church was established. It would be hard to believe that all of this was faked. Also, if the Bible was faked, it would not explain how these modern day prophecies are coming to pass, and are being fulfilled. And some of these prophecies are coming to pass because of the actions of non believers. And Christ was (born in Bethlehem) yet He lived (in Nazzareth). I have not been to church myself in years because of my job. Yet, the Bible is unlike any other Book. Because it speaks of the future in detail before the future happens. Only God could know such details, and only God could know how the world would end. Right now, the stage is being set up for the greatest encounter this earth will ever see.. Most of this goes right over the heads of not only non believers, but many in the church as well. It has been my experience, that many in the church are there to warm the seats and little else. Many ministers are there to collect their check, and that's about it. Jesus told us about the dangers of vain religion, and from where I'm standing, He sure got that right. Things may seem difficult now, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. The Bible states near the end of time, perilous times will come upon the earth. I see these days approaching us. And I see it more clearly now, because I can see the prophecies of the Bible speak the truth, and that is a truth I cannot deny.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

The New Testament has what we call the majority text, which was written in different time periods and comes to us from many different lands. These copies number in the thousands, and some before the church was established. It would be hard to believe that all of this was faked. Also, if the Bible was faked, it would not explain how these modern day prophecies are coming to pass, and are being fulfilled. And some of these prophecies are coming to pass because of the actions of non believers. And Christ was (born in Bethlehem) yet He lived (in Nazzareth). I have not been to church myself in years because of my job. Yet, the Bible is unlike any other Book. Because it speaks of the future in detail before the future happens. Only God could know such details, and only God could know how the world would end. Right now, the stage is being set up for the greatest encounter this earth will ever see.. Most of this goes right over the heads of not only non believers, but many in the church as well. It has been my experience, that many in the church are there to warm the seats and little else. Many ministers are there to collect their check, and that's about it. Jesus told us about the dangers of vain religion, and from where I'm standing, He sure got that right. Things may seem difficult now, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. The Bible states near the end of time, perilous times will come upon the earth. I see these days approaching us. And I see it more clearly now, because I can see the prophecies of the Bible speak the truth, and that is a truth I cannot deny.

Oh, C,

I hate to disappoint you, but in every age there have been those who believed they were living in 'end times'. Actually, when the bible was written people believed that. Those witnessing Christ's death, if that occurred, believed it would happen then. The Mayans perhaps believed in 2012.

It would be so nice to have it all wrapped up, pre-known and being handed a god's prescription for getting through 'it'.

It would be nice to think, gee, if I just follow this book, I'll be ok.

Not so.

We are here to figure things out for ourselves. Part of nature's lesson is that we struggle and overcome and learn and grow. Part of that growth is learning how to get along, which means putting dogma aside and dealing only in facts.

One peculiar thing that happens, is that when people from other cultures have the 'near death' experience, the Moslems do not see Christ appearing to them, neither do Christians see the Buddha, nor do Jews see Christ. We see what we expect to see, it seems, what we would like to see. Perhaps there is a lesson there, as well. We create our reality, we see the world through glasses of our own making. Hopefully, if our minds are not clouded with dogma, we see something like the truth.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by goldengrain

Oh, C,

I hate to disappoint you, but in every age there have been those who believed they were living in 'end times'. Actually, when the bible was written people believed that. Those witnessing Christ's death, if that occurred, believed it would happen then. The Mayans perhaps believed in 2012.

It would be so nice to have it all wrapped up, pre-known and being handed a god's prescription for getting through 'it'.

It would be nice to think, gee, if I just follow this book, I'll be ok.

Not so.

We are here to figure things out for ourselves. Part of nature's lesson is that we struggle and overcome and learn and grow. Part of that growth is learning how to get along, which means putting dogma aside and dealing only in facts.

One peculiar thing that happens, is that when people from other cultures have the 'near death' experience, the Moslems do not see Christ appearing to them, neither do Christians see the Buddha, nor do Jews see Christ. We see what we expect to see, it seems, what we would like to see. Perhaps there is a lesson there, as well. We create our reality, we see the world through glasses of our own making. Hopefully, if our minds are not clouded with dogma, we see something like the truth.

I think the big problem here is the Bible has set before you a number of facts, and you just ignore them. I discovered the prophecies when I was 14 years old. I'm now 57, and the more I study them, the more I understand they are true. The Bible is filled with facts that have taken many years to consider, yet with them laid out before us, it is easy to understand, what many of the prophecies are telling us. Ezekiel tells us that in the latter days God will allow the Jews to return to the land of Israel, the will retake Jerusalem, a Porch Gate at this time will be attached to Jurusalems Old East Gate that will still exist, the Porch Gate will be sealed, all attempts to enter the Gate to brake the prophecy will fail. (ALL OF THIS IS TRUE.) You have created your own reality by ignoring this. It is you, that has surrounded yourself with your own imaginary dogma. My belief is based on facts that can be obsevered and studied, your belief is based on your on fantasy. Christians who understood these prophecies back in the 1800s and before knew and wrote books telling all who would listen, that the coming of Christ would not occure untill the Jews would first returned to the land of Israel, and retook Jerusalem. They stated that Israel would be surrounded by the armies of the nations, and because of this, Christ coming would have to be a long ways off. They knew all of this would have to happen, because they knew the prophecies. And I might point out in land lock countries where Muslims do not have the freedom to hear the Gospel, Jesus Christ has been appearing to many of them in their dreams. There are thousands of Moslems who have not been seeking their traditional God who are coming forward and telling these stories. And some do so knowing they are risking their lives.

Your problem is, you call Biblical facts dogma, when in fact, it is verfiable truth that does not agree with your fantasy.

[Aeroman]

Several posts have gone by and no mention of little green men or flying saucers.

Is this thread done?

Now I’m not sure if these things exist or not. If they exist that’s ok with me, it they don’t than that’s fine to.
If they were really evil would they just probe someone and let them live,or wipe there memory so they don’t have to relive the experience.
I’m beginning to think that maybe they only probe those that believe in God so I’m safe for now.
Or maybe there just here looking for there lost pet. Here Nessie Nessie.



Cheers,
Aeroman