are UFOs and extraterestrials real? (power, secret, truth, veil)

[coosjoaquin]

Originally Posted by goldengrain

Maybe you do find this humorous, but according to polls of the public, you are certainly in the minority.

Fine by me, using the opinion of the public as evidence for something is as meaningless as asserting it so.

Originally Posted by goldengrain

The biggest hoax was the government cooperation in at the very least, the coverup of the Kennedy assassinations, another thing the public did not swallow. After that fiasco I sort of broke faith with the federal government and now keep an open mind on questions that they consider 'settled'. Then news broke that the government was facilitating the importation of illegal drugs into the US. Now we hear that drug sales in Afghanistan have increased so much since the US took over that it is Europe's biggest supplier, and, coincidently, we are doing nothing to steer those people into other industries.


I wonder what is going on in the financial life of some of those moral hypocrates in leadership positions who are against taking the profits out of drugs by legalizing them in some way.

Um ok

Originally Posted by goldengrain

People today are less innocent and trusting than they were years back. I see fewer and fewer people wearing those flag pins or attending patriotic parades.

Here in the UK the notion of "patriotism" is several orders of magnitudes lower than in america. Its not because we lost trust in this country but rather because its culture is mostly a patchwork of many other cultures sown in by immigrants

Originally Posted by goldengrain

People realize the hold that business has over our government - that the people are no longer represented. We are being laid off. We have lost our pensions and our health care has diminished. The cost of college is prohibitive. Now people are losing their homes since Congress decided to keep removing the regulations that we once had on the financial industry. Some of those regulations were put in place in the early 1900's to ensure that we would never again have a depression. Our once high standard of living is something we can only look back upon, and no longer see in the future. And now we hear that the entire planet is in danger, assissted by teh fact that our government is never trying any serious reforms, and even now, at this late hour, the delays have been deliberately so long that we are being told that the only reasonable alternate fuels are those that, coincidently, will provide a steady stream of income to large industries, even though they also carry the promise of massive problems.

No, most of us do not consider government lies humorous. You are one of the lucky ones, evidently. Most people place government and politicians very low on the 'reliability' meter and feel very much betrayed. So far, this UFO issue is only one of a very long list of betrayals and coverups and ineptitudes.

Um ok but you haven't answered anything at all. Why would the government/big businesses cover up aliens? and how could they possibly do it so well with so many people involved in it? I'm not naive enough to think that the government would never lie to us but theres nothing tangible about this.

Also this mainly focuses on the American government when here in the UK and in every other country. This leads me to believe that either all the UFO's somehow landed on the USA or that multiple governments are in it. Now for the earlier I can calculate the probability that a spaceship will random land in the USA and for the late, well that's a lot of money involved. More than I would believe and organization is capable of having.

Originally Posted by goldengrain

Not humorous at all, to most of us.

Oh lighten up, I'd still find it funny even if it was true because of the Irony.

[northsider]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

"Father Malachi Martin, suggests that the Vatican is concerned that it will have a major doctrinal updating situation on its hands when extraterrestrial contact becomes authoritatively announced by world governments over the next several years"

Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

A report from the UFODigest?

A good credible source eh?

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by coosjoaquin

Um ok but you haven't answered anything at all. Why would the government/big businesses cover up aliens? and how could they possibly do it so well with so many people involved in it? I'm not naive enough to think that the government would never lie to us but theres nothing tangible about this.
.

Perhaps the coverup was by the same people who 'did' the coverup for the Kennedy assassination? We still do not know what happened there, and probably never will.

'Why' they are doing it is mere speculation. If you consider that others believing that there is a coverup are naive, I would not dare specuate.
Actually, we would like to know the truth, that is what these posts are all about. Truly, the less information that is given, the wilder the ideas usually are, but people pretty much do agree that there is a coverup.

Well, Brazil, I am told, officially recognizes that UFO's exist.
I do not believe there would be much difference in the UK government's approach to this, given our 'special' relationship.

[gsoboi]

Originally Posted by goldengrain

Yes, I heard of the missing Monroe notebook and her home being bugged, but 'till this day we are not told who was bugging her. I heard that earlier in the day of her death she called a friend and said she would release her information the following day. Then she died and the information was missing.

There was also a journalist, Dorothy Kilgallen, who wrote some articles about the reality of UFO's, some of which made the front page of papers like the Journal American, which was widely read. She kept repeating that they were real, and there was word that she was given information by Lord Mountbatten.

Killgallen did much work, as well, on trying to get to the bottom of the Kennedy assassination. She got information and published it before even the President which was always accurate and she would never divulge her sources, even though there was an FBI investigation to try to get that information. Perhaps she, too, saw a link between the two. She had an exclusive interview with Jack Ruby and told a friend that she had shocking revelations that she would shortly divulge to the public. Unfortunately, she died before she could do that. THey said it was an overdose.

Because of her open criticism of the Warren Commission and other US government entities, and her association with Jack Ruby and 1964 private interview with him, some[who?] speculate that she was murdered by members of the same alleged conspiracy against JFK. Her claims that she was under surveillance[28] led to a theory that some people had a motive for killing her. This is partially based on the fact that throughout her career she consistently refused to identify any of her sources.[29] In August of 1964, she had told FBI agents that she "would die rather than" identify the man who had given her Jack Ruby's testimony to the Warren Commission before President Lyndon Johnson got it.[citation needed]

There was no evidence of a break-in or a struggle in Kilgallen's bedroom on November 8, 1965, although a biographer named Lee Israel discovered in the 1970s that none of her current story notes were ever found. At the death scene, a room in which Kilgallen never slept, a book, The Honey Badger by Robert Ruark, was clutched in her hand, as if to suggest that she had been reading in bed, but her reading glasses were not in the room.[1] Kilgallen had finished reading the novel weeks earlier, and had discussed the book with Sinclaire after she had finished it. Kilgallen had noted in her column four months earlier (July) that the protagonist of the book dies in the end.

Kennedy also was contemplating breaking up the CIA and changing the Federal Reserve because neither seems to report to any branch of our elected government.

If the implications of these stories is true, I don't think the government is only covering up alien visitation to avert a public panic, considering that we are not prepared for it. There is something else going on as well.

You don't go around killing people when merely holding them up to public ridicule and derision has worked so well in the past.

certainly the UFO cover up was part of the reason for the JFK assasination. JFK wanted to tell the public and he was sort of a rebel.
Marylin Monroe knew of the UFO reality. She was close to the Kennedys and in fact they were the ones who told her. Back in the 1960s people believed what their government said. No one talked about governement conspiracy theories. So if Marylin Monroe came out and said JFK told her the UFOs and extraterrestrial are real, everyone would believe it because the president said so. So she mysteriously died before she got the chance to make the press conference. When she said she knew something that would shock the world, I think that says it all. I cant think of anything going on in that time period that would SHOCK THE WORLD. The fact that Marylin Monroe was the subject on a declassified CIA document called Project Moon Dust says it all too because what would Marylin Monroe have to do with recovering debre from space vehicles? It all adds up to because Kilgallen said Marylin told her about the President going to a base inspecting "things from outer space". On top of that, the general that was responsible for investigating UFOs in the 1940 had his name stamped at the top of the CIA Monroe Project Moon Dust document. Marylin Monroe mysteriously died right before she was going to tell the world this shocking news and Kilgallen mysteries died before she got a chance to reveal the same information.....of course there is a government cover-up on UFOs and the government was behind the death of JFK, Robert Kennedy, Marylin Monroe and Dorothy Kilgallen. It makes you wonder if Ted Kennedy knows of the UFO reality. If so he is certainly keeping his mouth shut.

[gsoboi]

I also look at the fact that the government has experiemented with saucer shaped craft. Of course this is what the public is allowed to see. Its almost if the government isnt ready for the truth to be told but at the same time they are preparing the public for this reality by intentionally releasing some information.

now a saucer shaped vehicle is unstable using our modern aircraft propulsion systems yet the government has still built experiemental craft using the saucer shape.

[gsoboi]

Here is an unclassified document which directly links Project Moondust with UFOs...remember Marylin Monroe was the subject of declassified a Project Moondust document and Monroe herself said she had something shocking to tell the whole world

http://209.132.68.98/pdf/moondust_morocco_18jan67.pdf (broken link)

[gsoboi]

President John F. Kennedy may have had more than the usual knowledge about UFOs, according to several credible sources.

Further support for Kennedy's high-level knowledge regarding UFOs came from a former steward aboard Air Force One who told of a cryptic remark by President Kennedy.

Bill Holden, who also served as loadmaster for Air Force One, traveled with Kennedy to Europe in the summer of 1963. He said a UFO conference in Bonn, Germany, prompted a discussion of the subject aboard the President's plane one morning.

Holden said he turned to Kennedy and asked, "What do you think about UFOs, Mr. President?" He said Kennedy became quite serious and thought for a moment before replying, "I'd like to tell the public about the alien situation, but my hands are tied."

A controversial MJ-12 document titled "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Summary," noted Kennedy's insider knowledge. This document, apparently written soon after the crashes in New Mexico during July 1947, states, "It has become known to CIC (Counter Intelligence Corps) that some of the recovery operation was shared with Representative John F. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat elected to Congress in '46, Son of Joseph P. Kennedy, Commission on Organization of the Executive Branch of the Government. (Jack) Kennedy had limited duty as naval officer assigned to Naval Intelligence during the war. It is believed that information concerning the Roswell crashes was obtained from a source in Congress who is close to the Secretary for Air Force." Kennedy was the only Congressmen named who was aware of the truth of the Roswell incidents at the time.

Yet another document appears to be a memorandum written from President Kennedy to the director of the CIA regarding "Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security." In this memo, Kennedy stated, ". I have initiated (blacked out) and have instructed (then NASA Administrator) James Webb to develop a program with the Soviet Union in joint space and lunar exploration. It would be very helpful if you would have the high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to classified CIA and USAF sources. It is important that we make a clear distinction between the knowns and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense and space programs." Kennedy then asked for all files on "Unknowns" to be turned over the NASA authorities and an interim report be forwarded to the White House no later than Feb.1, 1964.

This document which clearly showed a president about to make UFO secrets available to wider circles in government and, hence, probably available to the public was dated Nov. 12, 1963, just 10 days before his Nov. 22 assassination in Dallas.

Desperately clinging to their UFO-free mindset, debunkers question this document's authenticity while an unquestionably authentic document has been found in the John F. Kennedy Library. JFK was requesting UFO information just days before he was assasinated. If you connect the dots, you see that UFOs and the death of JFK and Marylin Monroe are all connected. Marylin Monroe died before she could tell an international press conference what she knew that would shock the world. All the people involved including reporter Dorothy Kilgallen ended up dead.

[MontanaGuy]

gsoboi wrote:

certainly the UFO cover up was part of the reason for the JFK assasination. JFK wanted to tell the public and he was sort of a rebel.
Marylin Monroe knew of the UFO reality. She was close to the Kennedys and in fact they were the ones who told her.

I like reading your posts gsoboi but I'm gonna need a little bit of supporting evidence for this one.

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

President John F. Kennedy may have had more than the usual knowledge about UFOs, according to several credible sources.

Further support for Kennedy's high-level knowledge regarding UFOs came from a former steward aboard Air Force One who told of a cryptic remark by President Kennedy.

Bill Holden, who also served as loadmaster for Air Force One, traveled with Kennedy to Europe in the summer of 1963. He said a UFO conference in Bonn, Germany, prompted a discussion of the subject aboard the President's plane one morning.

Holden said he turned to Kennedy and asked, "What do you think about UFOs, Mr. President?" He said Kennedy became quite serious and thought for a moment before replying, "I'd like to tell the public about the alien situation, but my hands are tied."

A controversial MJ-12 document titled "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Summary," noted Kennedy's insider knowledge. This document, apparently written soon after the crashes in New Mexico during July 1947, states, "It has become known to CIC (Counter Intelligence Corps) that some of the recovery operation was shared with Representative John F. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat elected to Congress in '46, Son of Joseph P. Kennedy, Commission on Organization of the Executive Branch of the Government. (Jack) Kennedy had limited duty as naval officer assigned to Naval Intelligence during the war. It is believed that information concerning the Roswell crashes was obtained from a source in Congress who is close to the Secretary for Air Force." Kennedy was the only Congressmen named who was aware of the truth of the Roswell incidents at the time.

Yet another document appears to be a memorandum written from President Kennedy to the director of the CIA regarding "Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security." In this memo, Kennedy stated, ". I have initiated (blacked out) and have instructed (then NASA Administrator) James Webb to develop a program with the Soviet Union in joint space and lunar exploration. It would be very helpful if you would have the high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to classified CIA and USAF sources. It is important that we make a clear distinction between the knowns and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense and space programs." Kennedy then asked for all files on "Unknowns" to be turned over the NASA authorities and an interim report be forwarded to the White House no later than Feb.1, 1964.

This document which clearly showed a president about to make UFO secrets available to wider circles in government and, hence, probably available to the public was dated Nov. 12, 1963, just 10 days before his Nov. 22 assassination in Dallas.

Desperately clinging to their UFO-free mindset, debunkers question this document's authenticity while an unquestionably authentic document has been found in the John F. Kennedy Library. JFK was requesting UFO information just days before he was assasinated. If you connect the dots, you see that UFOs and the death of JFK and Marylin Monroe are all connected. Marylin Monroe died before she could tell an international press conference what she knew that would shock the world. All the people involved including reporter Dorothy Kilgallen ended up dead.

When I quit laughing and catch my breath I will try to write an answer to this. You are kidding on this aren’t you?

[coosjoaquin]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

Here is an unclassified document which directly links Project Moondust with UFOs...remember Marylin Monroe was the subject of declassified a Project Moondust document and Monroe herself said she had something shocking to tell the whole world

http://209.132.68.98/pdf/moondust_morocco_18jan67.pdf

Well I took a look at the document and Its hard to explain my emotions towards it. Page one was ok, contradictory accounts of events and some object whizzing through the sky. Then page 2 made me laugh because I thought it was part of the document and believed this paper insinuated that the gov officials then went on to watch sci-fi alien documentaries to gain "intel" on the aliens.