are UFOs and extraterestrials real? (existence, definition, hate, interpretation)

[northsider]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

your questions are silly and basically mock the idea of extraterrestrials

Theres no such thing as a silly question -- only a silly answer.

Is it silly when someone asks in response to your statement...

they look so similar to us being upright beings with two eyes, two arms, two legs, fingers and toes.

"Oh you've actually seen them?"

If you can describe these aliens or whatever, then surely anyone would be interested in your experience.

But if you continue to refuse to answer a simple question then don't be too surprised if those following this thread draw their own conclusions.

So I ask again. Have you seen the entities you describe above?

[gsoboi]

Originally Posted by northsider

Theres no such thing as a silly question -- only a silly answer.

Is it silly when someone asks in response to your statement...



"Oh you've actually seen them?"

If you can describe these aliens or whatever, then surely anyone would be interested in your experience.

But if you continue to refuse to answer a simple question then don't be too surprised if those following this thread draw their own conclusions.

So I ask again. Have you seen the entities you describe above?

I said based on what has been described by alot of people. Just because I personally did not seem them, that doesnt mean they are not real. I can't see an atom but I know they are all over the place.

[gsoboi]

The news story on the Denver man thats going to release his alien film

Video captures alien visitor, Denverite says - The Denver Post

BTW take the poll on that link and you might be surprised at the percentage of people that believe extraterrestrials are real.

as for this guys film, you have to treat it with suspect because he refuses to let the public see it right now and only the media and reporters are allowed to see it. But im sure its interesting.

[travelmate38]

I've refrained from telling my personal experience due to fears of retribution. I've decided to tell my story. I know most won't believe but that is okay, I know what happened and I know it is real.

We moved into a new home in the country in Alaska back in 1992. About a week after we moved in, my son came to me and told me he saw a "monster man coming out of the bathroom." My son was 5 years old at that time. I asked him to decribe it and as clear as could be he described a smooth looking face pearing from around the door. He said the creature's body was behind the door, but he could see most of the face and it had one of its hands on the door, so he could see its fingers. He first described the large black eyes and and "long skinny fingers." He said the monster man "told me things without talking." He said "he told me things in my head and brain." He said the monster man told him everything would be fine, not to worry and have fun being a child. That is all he said he communicated to him. He said he then saw a bright blue lighted ball, that flashed and it was gone.

That day we went to the library and I checked out some books on aliens and UFOs as soon as my son saw the photo of the typical "greys" he slammed his finger down and said that is what I saw. He became very anxious rubbing his hands together and pacing. He was visible moved by the phtos. My son is now 21 years old and still recalls this event like it happened last night. He has the same nervous reaction like someone with PTS disorder when he sees an alien on TV or talks about it.

About two years later, when I was home alone at about 3am, my German Sheppard dog suddenly went crazy. He started growling, barking viciously for no reason I could see. I got out of bed and he was staring in the corner of the dining room at the wall going absolutely nuts. This freaked me out and my hair began to stand on end. About this time, my dog ran into its kennel and curled into a ball and did not make a sound. That was when I saw a blue, bight light dash across the room and then there was a flash. I don't remember anything after that, but woke up in my bed at about 6 am. My dog was still curled up in its kennel.

Over the next few nights I had brief moments of memory about being abducted as I would fall asleep. I could not recall everything, just bits and pieces that would flash into my mind. One thing that stood out to me was the communication. It was telepathic, no talking. I recall asking one of the greys where man came from. He told me all life on earth was created by them 6000 years ago. He said all major religions on earth were also planted by them. He told me in the year 2008, all man kind would come to know its true origins and they (the aliens) would reveal themselves to man. The sense I got from these beings was a clear evil one. They are not Godly. I can't describe it, butwhen you are in the presense of evil, you can feel it. They did not harm me in any way that I know of, but they I did not get any sense of love, or compasion from them.

110% true story, take it for what it is worth.

[northsider]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

I said based on what has been described by alot of people. Just because I personally did not seem them, that doesnt mean they are not real.

No, you never said "based on what has been described by a lot of people."

Here's what you did say.

In spiritual terms the aliens and the fallen angels are the same......so are you saying WE are decendents of Satan's fallen angels? are we the Nephilim of this time? But if we are them, that would explain why they look so similar to us being upright beings with two eyes, two arms, two legs, fingers and toes.

Making my question about if you saw them, a valid one.

We always hear about descriptions of some of the aliens being Nordic or European in appearance and some looking asian. The rest are the little grey guys.

So you seem to be adding bits to things said by others. In fact you never actually saw the entities you described?

That's fine, now I know. Thank you.

Oh... you also said....

I can't see an atom but I know they are all over the place.

You can see an atom. If you have the right instrument of course. Info about that here.

[gsoboi]

Originally Posted by travelmate38

I've refrained from telling my personal experience due to fears of retribution. I've decided to tell my story. I know most won't believe but that is okay, I know what happened and I know it is real.

We moved into a new home in the country in Alaska back in 1992. About a week after we moved in, my son came to me and told me he saw a "monster man coming out of the bathroom." My son was 5 years old at that time. I asked him to decribe it and as clear as could be he described a smooth looking face pearing from around the door. He said the creature's body was behind the door, but he could see most of the face and it had one of its hands on the door, so he could see its fingers. He first described the large black eyes and and "long skinny fingers." He said the monster man "told me things without talking." He said "he told me things in my head and brain." He said the monster man told him everything would be fine, not to worry and have fun being a child. That is all he said he communicated to him. He said he then saw a bright blue lighted ball, that flashed and it was gone.

That day we went to the library and I checked out some books on aliens and UFOs as soon as my son saw the photo of the typical "greys" he slammed his finger down and said that is what I saw. He became very anxious rubbing his hands together and pacing. He was visible moved by the phtos. My son is now 21 years old and still recalls this event like it happened last night. He has the same nervous reaction like someone with PTS disorder when he sees an alien on TV or talks about it.

About two years later, when I was home alone at about 3am, my German Sheppard dog suddenly went crazy. He started growling, barking viciously for no reason I could see. I got out of bed and he was staring in the corner of the dining room at the wall going absolutely nuts. This freaked me out and my hair began to stand on end. About this time, my dog ran into its kennel and curled into a ball and did not make a sound. That was when I saw a blue, bight light dash across the room and then there was a flash. I don't remember anything after that, but woke up in my bed at about 6 am. My dog was still curled up in its kennel.

Over the next few nights I had brief moments of memory about being abducted as I would fall asleep. I could not recall everything, just bits and pieces that would flash into my mind. One thing that stood out to me was the communication. It was telepathic, no talking. I recall asking one of the greys where man came from. He told me all life on earth was created by them 6000 years ago. He said all major religions on earth were also planted by them. He told me in the year 2008, all man kind would come to know its true origins and they (the aliens) would reveal themselves to man. The sense I got from these beings was a clear evil one. They are not Godly. I can't describe it, butwhen you are in the presense of evil, you can feel it. They did not harm me in any way that I know of, but they I did not get any sense of love, or compasion from them.

110% true story, take it for what it is worth.

Northsider doesnt believe you because hes ignoring your story. But thanks for sharing your experience with us. But since you said you sensed evil could it be possible that they were lying to you? remember they could still be fallen angels and Im sure Satan would want to decieve man into thinking there is no God.

Still frame from the Denver alien footage

[northsider]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

Northsider doesnt believe you because hes ignoring your story.

And you know this.... how? (I really do want to know.)

[coosjoaquin]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

Trick or Treat!!!!

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by northsider

And you know this.... how? (I really do want to know.)

North,

If someone HAD seen them, I would think they would have to be mentally unhinged to tell you about it.

You don't have a mind that is open to these things to begin with. You seem to deride others for collecting evidence and proposing theories. The 'cover-up' is not stating that there is not evidence out there, but that the government simply refuses to admit to all of this, despite the evidence.

You cannot be saying that people from all over the globe who have witnessed these things have decided to share a delusion? If that is your thought, where and when has this happened before? Please do not state religion, since every culture has developed there own and shaped it differently. When people describe the greys, they pretty much are seeing the same creatures, regardless of their culture.

Why are you wasting time with we, the deluded, on this site?

You obviously believe we are not just a bit unbalanced, so is this your idea of fun? Having a nice little private joke on those less fortunate than yourself?

Why are you wasting your time with us, who you obviously think are your inferiors? Play in the sandbox which contains those you consider your equals. Or, perhaps they don't care for you very much, either.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by travelmate38

I've refrained from telling my personal experience due to fears of retribution. I've decided to tell my story. I know most won't believe but that is okay, I know what happened and I know it is real.

We moved into a new home in the country in Alaska back in 1992. About a week after we moved in, my son came to me and told me he saw a "monster man coming out of the bathroom." My son was 5 years old at that time. I asked him to decribe it and as clear as could be he described a smooth looking face pearing from around the door. He said the creature's body was behind the door, but he could see most of the face and it had one of its hands on the door, so he could see its fingers. He first described the large black eyes and and "long skinny fingers." He said the monster man "told me things without talking." He said "he told me things in my head and brain." He said the monster man told him everything would be fine, not to worry and have fun being a child. That is all he said he communicated to him. He said he then saw a bright blue lighted ball, that flashed and it was gone.

That day we went to the library and I checked out some books on aliens and UFOs as soon as my son saw the photo of the typical "greys" he slammed his finger down and said that is what I saw. He became very anxious rubbing his hands together and pacing. He was visible moved by the phtos. My son is now 21 years old and still recalls this event like it happened last night. He has the same nervous reaction like someone with PTS disorder when he sees an alien on TV or talks about it.

About two years later, when I was home alone at about 3am, my German Sheppard dog suddenly went crazy. He started growling, barking viciously for no reason I could see. I got out of bed and he was staring in the corner of the dining room at the wall going absolutely nuts. This freaked me out and my hair began to stand on end. About this time, my dog ran into its kennel and curled into a ball and did not make a sound. That was when I saw a blue, bight light dash across the room and then there was a flash. I don't remember anything after that, but woke up in my bed at about 6 am. My dog was still curled up in its kennel.

Over the next few nights I had brief moments of memory about being abducted as I would fall asleep. I could not recall everything, just bits and pieces that would flash into my mind. One thing that stood out to me was the communication. It was telepathic, no talking. I recall asking one of the greys where man came from. He told me all life on earth was created by them 6000 years ago. He said all major religions on earth were also planted by them. He told me in the year 2008, all man kind would come to know its true origins and they (the aliens) would reveal themselves to man. The sense I got from these beings was a clear evil one. They are not Godly. I can't describe it, butwhen you are in the presense of evil, you can feel it. They did not harm me in any way that I know of, but they I did not get any sense of love, or compasion from them.

110% true story, take it for what it is worth.

Travel, thank you for sharing this. It must have been hard for you. Can you reveal what you meant when you said 'we are them?'

Most people feel negatively about the greys.
I have never seen one, but knew a woman who had.
She was a member of a book club that I attended.

She said she had been abducted by them and they were good, but would always use the identical words and inflection when she said it, and When I questioned her, she could not relay information, but kept up with the 'they are good' garbage.

I asked her if a man abducted her while walking down the street and threw her in the car against her will, would she consider that a good thing? She would act confused when I tried to appeal to her logically about these greys. I said we treat our household pets better than these abducted people are treated by these 'things'.

She was an interesting, intelligent person other than that one topic. She was from Puerto Rico and said there was one area, I think a mountain, that had a reputation for strange occurrances.

I do not think all aliens should be thought of in the same way. Isn't that racism? When I think of aliens, my first thoughts go to the Nordic types, and I do not think they are very fond, at all, of the greys.
So, when there is talk of we being creations of aliens, I think of them. It is they who we most closely resemble. They walk amongst us and are not noticed.

Now, just for fun, I could envision a scenerio in which the greys are 'creators' and the Nords the rebellious angels who came to earth to help earthlings.

I have a thought that the Nords are fearful of the greys, too.

It could also be the reason why the government does not want to discuss them.

But, no facts, just speculation - and when there are no facts and things are happening, all you have left is speculation!