are UFOs and extraterestrials real? (translation, America, bible, Israel)

[anifani821]

Originally Posted by northsider

I'm talking about high resolution, detailed images like those in the post you're responding to.

Perhaps I misunderstood you but I hope you are not suggesting that I think the fake Photoshopped pix of the moon are real???? Cause I surely do not!!!

However, there are photos of the Arizona UFO, for ex. and many witnesses to UFOs in Mexico . . . and I believe there are some snapped in Russia, Europe, UK . . .

I think one has to stop and consider . . . and I would really really appreciate it if people would treat what I am saying w/ some seriousness . . . how many times do you have a camera w/ you when something unexpected occurs? Yes, in the last few years, many of us have our cell phone cams, but let's face it - that ain't gonna give you a Hi Res picture. I used to do newspaper photography, so I used to very often have my Nikon with me. But this particular evening in 1976, I didn't own that NIkon. I was a poor college student. And I would have had to be thinking really quickly to have gotten out my camera, adjusted all the settings (they weren't automatic focus back then!!!!) and compensated for the low light, etc.

So when you start talking about Hi Res pix . . . stop and think how often YOU have had an upscale camera w/ you when something totally unexpected happened - like, a walk in the park, or down a deserted road, or (in my case) running an errand to the store and you just happen to see this glow in the trees and turn off the road out of curiosity . . .

The thing that gets me, all these years later, is that I fully expected someone to have some answers for me - to explain it all. And no one ever has. And on top of it, the world basically scoffs when they hear someone's first person, eye witness account of an event that - trust me - I didn't ASK for - but I sure experienced it, regardless.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by anifani821

Perhaps I misunderstood you but I hope you are not suggesting that I think the fake Photoshopped pix of the moon are real???? Cause I surely do not!!!

However, there are photos of the Arizona UFO, for ex. and many witnesses to UFOs in Mexico . . . and I believe there are some snapped in Russia, Europe, UK . . .

I think one has to stop and consider . . . and I would really really appreciate it if people would treat what I am saying w/ some seriousness . . . how many times do you have a camera w/ you when something unexpected occurs? Yes, in the last few years, many of us have our cell phone cams, but let's face it - that ain't gonna give you a Hi Res picture. I used to do newspaper photography, so I used to very often have my Nikon with me. But this particular evening in 1976, I didn't own that NIkon. I was a poor college student. And I would have had to be thinking really quickly to have gotten out my camera, adjusted all the settings (they weren't automatic focus back then!!!!) and compensated for the low light, etc.

So when you start talking about Hi Res pix . . . stop and think how often YOU have had an upscale camera w/ you when something totally unexpected happened - like, a walk in the park, or down a deserted road, or (in my case) running an errand to the store and you just happen to see this glow in the trees and turn off the road out of curiosity . . .

The thing that gets me, all these years later, is that I fully expected someone to have some answers for me - to explain it all. And no one ever has. And on top of it, the world basically scoffs when they hear someone's first person, eye witness account of an event that - trust me - I didn't ASK for - but I sure experienced it, regardless.

There are some people for whom no evidence would do. Any picture can be called a phoney these days. It is good to have a picture, but even an expert, looking at a photo, can no longer guarantee that it is not doctored.

There are people who feel more important, self-satisfied, when they put others down. They go back to their buds and brag about how what a good job they are going in putting down other people. They would lose a lot of these friends if they started to say, 'Gee, maybe there is something to this'.

I get saddened that so many people are led through the noses by their religions, terrorized by talk of the 'end times' into conforming with the herd, not wanting to be left behind. I feel they are manipulated. These skeptics probably feel something similar concerning UFO information. If my best friend said she saw the Virgin Mary appearing to her in a dream, though, I would respect that something did occur. I would not discredit her experience because I know her. She would not go off the wall with that info. She has a stable personality. But I would have to know her to form those conclusions. It would not make me believe because it is not my experience. It is for her.

So I understand that no amount of talk or pictures will convince the skeptic. Frankly, I would not want a world full of people who would believe things just because I said it was so. It is healthy to have our doubters in society. THey are some of the people who fight against dictators and propaganda in a society. They promote the rule of logic and truth over emotionalism and those who would rule us through fear.

I just don't know why such people would want to hang around on a thread such as this. I don't troll on threads with a lot of religious talk (well, if one is running for President, I might, or if there is a political issue that could affect the entire nation). I have no interest one way or another of people's religions unless it affects me in some way.

So I am unsure of why people would hang about a UFO believer's thread if they feel so strongly against such information unless there is, sadly, some ego need for superiority.

[northsider]

Originally Posted by anifani821

Perhaps I misunderstood you but I hope you are not suggesting that I think the fake Photoshopped pix of the moon are real???? Cause I surely do not!!!

I don't know you well enough to have known whether you fell for the faked pics or not. But I fully accept your word that you didn't.

However, there are photos of the Arizona UFO, for ex. and many witnesses to UFOs in Mexico . . . and I believe there are some snapped in Russia, Europe, UK . . .

Like I said, I could show you photos that would amaze you. Photos that are not manipulated in any way... two of which I took myself. But the explanation for what's actually seen in them is so simple it's practically amusing. Now don't misread that.... I'm speaking of the two photos that I took myself.

Perhaps those you speak of above are in that category.

As for witnesses. I find that people tend to put a spin on the accepted. You have to carefully examine their 'evidence' and speak to them before you can decide anything.

I think one has to stop and consider . . . and I would really really appreciate it if people would treat what I am saying w/ some seriousness . . .

I don't know what you're saying beyond that you had 'an experience'. So it's not possible for me, even if I wanted to, to treat your story with levity.

As I said in an earlier post I approach all of this with an open mind. Otherwise I would not be even reading this thread.

The only thing that got my goat was someone who not only continued to upload faked photos, and some well known ones at that. But even went to far as to upload them more than once, and who responds to his/her own posts.

One has to wonder what's going on there.

how many times do you have a camera w/ you when something unexpected occurs?

My camera goes everywhere with me.

Yes, in the last few years, many of us have our cell phone cams, but let's face it - that ain't gonna give you a Hi Res picture.

I couldn't agree more.

So when you start talking about Hi Res pix . . . stop and think how often YOU have had an upscale camera w/ you when something totally unexpected happened - like, a walk in the park, or down a deserted road, or (in my case) running an errand to the store and you just happen to see this glow in the trees and turn off the road out of curiosity . . .

I always have my camera with me and that's how I captured the photos I mentioned.

The thing that gets me, all these years later, is that I fully expected someone to have some answers for me - to explain it all. And no one ever has.

Someone can help you find the answers. Do you have a local UFO Investigations agency.... or even an Astronomical Association? If so they can either help, or point you towards an agency that can. That's of course if your experience involved a UFO or related phenomena.

And on top of it, the world basically scoffs when they hear someone's first person, eye witness account

Human nature. Most mean no harm. But it's pretty normal to scoff at something you don't understand. It's a sort of defence mechanism.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by Tesaje

The whole space alien thing seems to me a modern reworking of angels, demons, elves, pixies, leprechauns, etc. People have always imagined spirits who revealed themselves only to the susceptible and used them as scapegoats for everything imaginable. Space aliens just have the veneer of science laid over the same old spirit thing. Hence they are remarkably similar to ourselves and can mate with us and produce fully fecund offspring. Yeah, right.

To believe in space aliens here on earth would mean Einstein was all wrong and the speed of light is not a barrier. Some like to posit there are wormholes in black holes that would allow huge bending of space so you could travel the huge distances instantly. Who knows, there could be such a thing, but the enormous gravitational pull of black holes would render any object, space aliens included, into it's subatomic elemental particles. Nothing could survive that. There is just no way any space alien could get here.

The odds are that there is life on other planets and probably even sentient life somewhere in this vast universe. But the odds of sentient life anywhere else in our corner of the universe is vanishingly small. The nearest star is some 4 light years away and intact organisms can't actually travel at the speed of light or even close to it. Getting there would take several lifetimes. Some 30 years of SETI searching for anything resembling radio signals has turned up nothing.

As for conspiracy theories, that is just ridiculous. The government couldn't even keep the nuclear explosive devices secret and they tried very hard. People just can't keep secrets. Somebody will always tell. But scams and frauds are all over the place.

I used to support the Planetary Society years ago until Carl Sagen started the idiotic SETI project. He should have known better being an astrophysicist. But his desire for space aliens overtook his common sense and scientific reasoning. It is just a new religion with as much truth to it as any other magical thing. So far, every single test has proven Einstein's theory of relativity correct.

You are right on the reworking of space aliens, they are just a different slant on what was experienced in the past. And they are just as real. John Keel who was the leading UFO researcher has stated the same thing. It was his belief that they do exist, and they were more in kin to the ancient stories of demonology. If you are looking to distant starts for their origin, you will not find them there. And if you consider what they have done to so many that have experienced their reality, you will soon discover they are not very friendly. Space aliens, no. Demons, without question.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

You are right on the reworking of space aliens, they are just a different slant on what was experienced in the past. And they are just as real. John Keel who was the leading UFO researcher has stated the same thing. It was his belief that they do exist, and they were more in kin to the ancient stories of demonology. If you are looking to distant starts for their origin, you will not find them there. And if you consider what they have done to so many that have experienced their reality, you will soon discover they are not very friendly. Space aliens, no. Demons, without question.

Both demons and angels are phenomena of the past which are reported by some in these days as space aliens. I agree that many of these accounts are people attempting to report what they have witnessed as accurately as possible, with the inadequate tools available to them.

So, we agree that something 'otherworldly' occurring, whether it is from another planet or another dimension or both. Some are helpful to us and some destructive, so I do not understand why we would paint everything that is otherworldly with the same brush.

If we choose to define the demons of biblical times as the space aliens of today, then it follows that the angels of olden days may be as well.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by goldengrain

Both demons and angels are phenomena of the past which are reported by some in these days as space aliens. I agree that many of these accounts are people attempting to report what they have witnessed as accurately as possible, with the inadequate tools available to them.

So, we agree that something 'otherworldly' occurring, whether it is from another planet or another dimension or both. Some are helpful to us and some destructive, so I do not understand why we would paint everything that is otherworldly with the same brush.

If we choose to define the demons of biblical times as the space aliens of today, then it follows that the angels of olden days may be as well.

I guess I paint the UFOs as being more demonic because of the experiences that others have had with them, which is often unplesent.
I do believe that angles also abound from the God side, yet they appear not nearly as obvious.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

I guess I paint the UFOs as being more demonic because of the experiences that others have had with them, which is often unplesent.
I do believe that angles also abound from the God side, yet they appear not nearly as obvious.

Well, the UFO's that we hear of do seem nasty - the greys and the like. All I am saying is that there are reports of other occurrances, too, which seem friendly and even better. I would not lump all instances of other worldly happenings and contacts as automatically evil.

I knew someone who worked for a Japanese company and she found them very open and friendly and helpful with a sincere concern for her well being. A fellow I knew who was in WWII could find nothing at all to ever say about them that was good. He thought they were devils.

I agree with you that the greys appear to be evil from the reports that we hear, but greys are not the only visitors and there may be others who are friends and it might be an error to tar every UFO incident as something bad.

When I was a child all of the UFO reports that I heard of were of a friendly nature and the occupants were human-appearing, and seemed to have abilities that we earth-based humans did not.

There were also reports of people being 'rescued' by angels whose descriptions sounded extraordinarily similar to those of some UFO occupants. Generally, these people are not told by their 'otherworldly' rescuers that they are angels, the people assume that because of the non-human abilities these beings demonstrate and because they are helpful.

I am unsure of what you are labeling 'God side' since they all appear to come from 'elsewhere' and none of us seem to know where that is. They could all be from the same, or different places.

When people are helped by those that they call 'angels' I think they get over it, are thankful, and get on with their lives. The abductees by the greys experience trauma and it is harder to get on with their lives. They will talk about it with others who have had similar experiences. It is often a continuing occurrance.

So, we seem to hear more about the bad guys.

I am just trying to keep us open minded about this and not tar everyone with the same brush. Maybe life elsewhere, although those visiting us are technologically more advanced, is morally similar to us, on earth. Some are saintly and some are creeps.

Anyway, this is all very exicting and interesting to wonder about.

[ertily]

IF you listen to Ronnie McMullen on thepropheticwatch.com, he will tell ya there certainly are UFOs. Big ones too and real nasty as well.

[northsider]

Originally Posted by ertily

IF you listen to Ronnie McMullen on thepropheticwatch.com, he will tell ya there certainly are UFOs. Big ones too and real nasty as well.

He would, wouldn't he.

[gsoboi]

Originally Posted by travelmate38

If you read my story, you know my stance on it. I'm 110% certain they are real and they are here, right now. You all can laugh all you want, but if you really sincerely take the time to read the evidence you will see it is true. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people involved in this now. Government officials, airline pilots, little old grandmas describing abductions, abductions caught on tape, Roswell, deathbed confession of Roswell military officials, NASA astronauts, police officers, pastors, priests, entire cities seeing UFOs, Catholic church agreeing other life in the universe is likely and should be accepted, ex-high security clearance military officials telling all, over and over. The list goes on for miles and miles.

We came from them, no question about it, as you will son find out. Very soon in fact. Life did not happen here by accident. My only question, is what is our purpose or role in all this? Why are we here, where will it lead and how will it end?

It will definately change religous perspectives. The question is who created them? was it God?. There has to be an ultimate creator. There is still alot we dont understand which is why the world governements are so scared to let this information out. I think if it were as simple as just ET visiting here, it would have been out a long time ago. Its the religous implications that scares the government. Its a complex situation. Add to the fact the the government made a treaty with them allowing them to abduct humans for their purposes. In exchange, the ETs shared their technology. There have also been some conflicts with them. How do they explain that to the American people? They just cant. There have been SOOO many laws broken to keep this secret including assasinations. The only way its coming out is if the ETs decide they want to make themselves known to the masses.

- Have you ever wondered why Neil Armstrong rarely makes public speeches? The man who made history stays in the shadows and only comes out when NASA tells him to. Most people dont even knows what he looks like today.

- Have you ever wondered how and why the origional Apollo film just got missing? How does the government lose the ORIGIONAL film of one of those most important events in human history?

- Have you noticed that on some of the official NASA moon photographs, there seems to be photo munipulation? (cloned terrain, smudging, blacked out skies with no stars....ect.)

- Did you know a former NASA employee testified that she saw unedited NASA photographs with UFOs and that the department she worked in was suppose to "airbrush" them out before they were shown to the public?

- Did you know that the former chief of NASA Communications Systems said that Neil Armstrong saw UFOs on the moon and that he described what he was seeing during the "TV blackouts"? The former chief said Armstrong said this: "These 'babies' are huge, sir! Enormous! Oh my God ! You wouldn't
believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,lined up on the far side
of the crater edge! They're on the Moon, watching us!"


-Did you know that government officials and second class airmen said that ancient artificial structures have been found on the moon?

- Have you ever wondered why all the origional Apollo astronauts resigned shortly after the moon landing?

- Have you ever wondered why we never went back to the moon? The former chief of NASA communications said this: "we were warned off the moon"



When Neil Armstrong did publically speak, he spoke in code. He said things like "we were like parrots but we couldnt really fly" besides flying what does a parrott do? They repeat what they are told. Armstrong also made this odd comment "There are wonders BEYOND BELIEF" "There are truths to be revealed if one can remove truths PROTECTED layers"




other astronaut saw UFOs while in space, they used code words for UFOs. Here is an actual recorded conversation:

During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7:

Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.

Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7.

Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.

Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting? Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTING.

Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size?

Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT


Astronaut Donald Slayton said this:



"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, grey and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

Astronaut Scott Carpenter said this:



"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."