are UFOs and extraterestrials real? (paranormal, consciousness, Greek, translation)

[northsider]

Originally Posted by ptsum

northsider, I can not verify any of the photos that have just recently been shown that has to do with the UFOs over Washington, DC back in 1952, UFOs Flew Directlly Over Washington DC For Six HOURS In July, 1952 this is an article from the Washington Post pertaining to the UFOs over the U.S. Capital, the date was July 28, 1952.

But why are they referred to as "Flying Saucers" when in fact they are just as you said. Unidentified Flying Objects?

These UFO's are seen in many parts of the world. To date the only credible explanation are that they are some kind of natural phenomena for which we have no explanation yet.

I too have seen, and photographed UFOs. They were UFOs to me at the time. But the two photos of what I thought of as UFOs are easily explained... and if I'd been thinking straight at the time would have known exactly what I photographed.

Agreed, some sightings are unexplainable. And that's the intriguing thing about them and why I'm interested.

It's only when someone offers faked pictures in this thread, along with extraordinary claims that I wonder at that person's motive. By doing so they wreck any kind of intelligent discussion.

[northsider]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

Now Northsider after ptsum's testimony can you explain those glowing lights that hovered over Washington DC (restricted air space)?

No, can you? And why oh why must you continue to upload the same pictures over and over? We all seen them first time.

Now. I've replied to your question.

Perhaps you would pay me the same courtesy?

That means that what you see below are actual UFOs from another world/demension.

Another wild, unsubstantiated statement!

[MontanaGuy]

I'll bet there's a reasonable explanation for the Washington DC lights and I've also seen bits of information about it on various documentaries. What I find to be peculiar is when a clear explanation is given for an event and yet people continue to believe it was something alien. The perfect example of that is the Phoenix lights which at first seemed like a very mysterious phenomenon and it was witnessed and photographed by many people. There was a good documentary in which researchers closely examined videos and were able to determine where the lights were physically located because they went out of view one by one as they passed behind a mountain. People had been saying that they witnessed a massive triangular shaped object and that the lights were attached to the bottom of it. The problem with that statement is that the videos clearly show the lights varying in distance from one another as they moved slightly out of sync with this V shaped formation so it's obvious that they were not a part of a giant single craft, they were independently moving. It was determined that these lights were military flares. Even though there is overwhelming evidence that this was not an alien encounter there are many people who refuse to accept a reasonable explanation and persist in keeping the story alive even after eleven years. Here's a link that describes a few more details:

Skeptic: eSkeptic: Wednesday, May 21st, 2008

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by northsider

But why are they referred to as "Flying Saucers" when in fact they are just as you said. Unidentified Flying Objects?

These UFO's are seen in many parts of the world. To date the only credible explanation are that they are some kind of natural phenomena for which we have no explanation yet.

I too have seen, and photographed UFOs. They were UFOs to me at the time. But the two photos of what I thought of as UFOs are easily explained... and if I'd been thinking straight at the time would have known exactly what I photographed.

Agreed, some sightings are unexplainable. And that's the intriguing thing about them and why I'm interested.

It's only when someone offers faked pictures in this thread, along with extraordinary claims that I wonder at that person's motive. By doing so they wreck any kind of intelligent discussion.

northsider, I'm not going to disagree with you, I agree that in 1952 strange lights in the sky over Washington, DC and nobody being able to explain at that time what they were would be considered UFOs (unidentified flying objects) until they can be identified as to what they are, however, I do find it interesting that when questioned about it the military offers no explanation and at that time acted as if nothing had ever happened. Now I'm just as skeptical about it as the next person and I actually saw the things in the night sky and I still have no explanation for what they were, but I do know that the way they moved and as slow as they moved it was like no other aircraft that anybody that I know of in the area had ever seen before and living where I did at the time which was in close proximity of Andrews Air Force Base we saw all kinds of strange military aircraft fly in and out of there. As to why they were called "flying saucers" I merely chalk that up to journalistic sensationalism, you know if it's not exciting it don't make news.

[northsider]

Originally Posted by ptsum

northsider, I'm not going to disagree with you, I agree that in 1952 strange lights in the sky over Washington, DC and nobody being able to explain at that time what they were would be considered UFOs (unidentified flying objects) until they can be identified as to what they are, however, I do find it interesting that when questioned about it the military offers no explanation and at that time acted as if nothing had ever happened. Now I'm just as skeptical about it as the next person and I actually saw the things in the night sky and I still have no explanation for what they were, but I do know that the way they moved and as slow as they moved it was like no other aircraft that anybody that I know of in the area had ever seen before and living where I did at the time which was in close proximity of Andrews Air Force Base we saw all kinds of strange military aircraft fly in and out of there. As to why they were called "flying saucers" I merely chalk that up to journalistic sensationalism, you know if it's not exciting it don't make news.

This is an interesting one and I'd really like to know more about it.

I have a feeling that the military not offering an explanation is because there probably isn't one... of a miltary nature I mean.

But can you imagine aircraft in pursuit of 'something' and not photographing whatever it is with their gun cameras? if such pictures were available for perusal it would make for interesting debate.... provided of course they showed something that has shape and form.

Yep I know about how the 'flying saucer' thing came about. Yet people report sightings of cigar shapes, circular shapes, triangular... etc etc.

[northsider]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

I'll bet there's a reasonable explanation for the Washington DC lights and I've also seen bits of information about it on various documentaries. What I find to be peculiar is when a clear explanation is given for an event and yet people continue to believe it was something alien. The perfect example of that is the Phoenix lights which at first seemed like a very mysterious phenomenon and it was witnessed and photographed by many people. There was a good documentary in which researchers closely examined videos and were able to determine where the lights were physically located because they went out of view one by one as they passed behind a mountain. People had been saying that they witnessed a massive triangular shaped object and that the lights were attached to the bottom of it. The problem with that statement is that the videos clearly show the lights varying in distance from one another as they moved slightly out of sync with this V shaped formation so it's obvious that they were not a part of a giant single craft, they were independently moving. It was determined that these lights were military flares. Even though there is overwhelming evidence that this was not an alien encounter there are many people who refuse to accept a reasonable explanation and persist in keeping the story alive even after eleven years. Here's a link that describes a few more details:

Thank you for that MontanaGuy.

As it says in the article you gave the link for, as time passes, "more and more elaborate — and ridiculous — claims were made by eyewitnesses.."

That to me is important for if you don't get the stories as soon as possible after the event... well the quote above says it all.

Another very interesting quote from the same article, "the eyeball is a poor instrument for judging the altitude of point sources of light in a night sky." How true that is, and even over featureless ground too. And I say that as a soldier who has seen others judging distance (ground and air) and being totally wrong.

Thankfully this thread is now becoming a proper debate instead of how it's been with wild and unsubstantiated claims.

[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by northsider

Where did I say that your claim of UFOs or moon landing was ridiculous? Please show me.

I merely asked questions about your post.

They should be simple to respond to, after all you made the claims I asked about.

As I said before, if you refuse to answer then readers of this thread will draw their own conclusions.

Sir, we have always had that privilege, and do the same with your comments.

This is what happens when authorities who we are asked to trust lie and obfuscate. People speculate. The only way to counter such thoughts is to be vigilant concerning the truth.

My big break with the government official spiel was the Kennedy assassinations coverup. That made me aware that there must be some pretty evil forces working in the government of the land of the free, the home of the brave.

So, having witnessed that stink and the Warren Commission fiasco, a rational being might wonder what else our government is putting out that smells like rotten fish. This is one such of those things.

When the government covers up it invites a free for all and all it can do to counter this is to plant government disinformation people to interface, pretending to be just regular citizens on forums such as this to try to misdirect the conversation and to try to set up those engaged in it as silly.

That dog no longer hunts.

Since we only have snippets of information we are forced to extrapolate. But at least the extrapolation is an attempt to find the truth and not to cover up.

[goldengrain]

For anyone with the time, money, and inclination, there is an International UFO Symposium which is going to be held in San Jose, Ca"

Mutual UFO Network

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by northsider

How do you know? It clearly says "fig tree". Doesn't mention any nation at all. This is your own translation?

The fig tree is the historical symble for Israel. Jesus was not just talking about fig trees.
Israel And The Fig Tree

[coosjoaquin]

It's quite interesting to see that people see aliens from another dimension or far away galaxies as the most likely explanation for UFO sightings. It's like finding a beer missing in my fridge and then reasoning that Fidel Castro took it as opposed to say my dad.