are UFOs and extraterestrials real? (hell, America, Revelations, faith)

[coosjoaquin]

Originally Posted by gsoboi

whether there is evidence or not, it doesnt mean its not true. Remember Science had mankind believing the sun, stars and planets revolved around the earth.

Why yes and lucky for us Copernicus followed by Gallileo actually bothered to look at the sky as opposed to listening to the Pope and other very respectable sources.


There is someone's testimony I would believe and it's the Aliens alone.

[gsoboi]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

gsoboi wrote:

The bottom line for me is that there aren't any coverups regarding aliens because human beings are incapable of a coverup of this magnitude.

As Mitchell said, the government has not been successful at covering it up. Its been leaking out all over the place but the way they handle it is disinformation, flat out denial and confusion. Mixing obviously bogus info with true info is a good way to handle something that leaked out because if something bogus is mixed with it, you are not going to believe any of it. The government denies that Area 51 exists even though we can see it with our own eyes. So im not going to take the governments word because I know they lie. I'll take Astronaut Mitchells word before I'll take the governments word. But another reason why its been so easy to handle info that leaked out is the fact that the idea of extraterrstrials coming to earth is so unbelievable that people ignore any kind of facts that leak out. Our minds automatically tell us its a hoax before we even investigate what it could be or it cant be real because there is no physical proof.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by northsider

No on would expect any other explanation from a site that refers to itself as "Bible Prophecy Ministry".

If he was talking about a country why didn't he just say so? Why speak straight at one time and in riddles at another?

Seems to me that practically every word in the bible is 'translated' to suit the particular reader.

Jesus often would reveal the meaning of a parable to His disciples, yet often would tell them to wait for the proper time to reveal the meaning of a parable to those they would preach to. After the death of Christ on the cross one such parable was refered to and 3,000 people who knew the parable responded to its message and became Christians. They are often like time release capsuls. Just as the fig tree parable. It's meaning could not of been fully understood until the Jews finally returned to the land of Israel. Now there are other prophecies that tell us they would return to Israel near the end of time. Yet the fig tree parable informs us that the generation that sees this will see al the end prophecies fulfilled.

[gsoboi]

Here is why I think the latest story the government gives on Roswell is hogwash.

outside of being extraterrestrial, there is nothing at the time that was so secret that it would still be classified today and we know the government is still covering up Roswell based on the holes in their story. Again if it were the HIGHLY top secret Project Mogul spy balloons, why attract WORLD attention to it calling it a flying saucer? That just doesnt make sense. They should have just said it was a weather balloon to begin with. But the army first put out a press release that they had captured a flying saucer. That would only attract the attention of the Soviets because they would be interested in any kind of technology from another world. Government records documented that it took several planes to ship the material to Ft Worth, TX and then to Ohio. It would not take several planes to carry weather balloon debre. Project Mogul was indeed a real project and it may have crashed but thats not what crashed at Roswell. Project Mogul consisted of ordinary weather balloons with radar targets. While the project would have been classified the weather balloon material wasnt. Why treat the material as if it were classified like the A-bomb? Why were people's lives threatened if they told anyone what they saw? remember this was suppose to be ordinary weather balloons. People claimed they saw bodies. Now the government doesnt dispute they saw bodies but they say they were dummies. The only problem with that story is that the government didnt drop dummies til 1953. Roswell happened in 1947. After that was pointed out, the government then said fading memories confused the time periods combining two seperate events. Yea right, like all hundred plus people are going to confuse two seperate events during different dates. That explaination alone shows the Government's story is bull. It proves there is some kind of cover-up going on. whether you believe its extraterrestrial is another thing. But As I stated before, outside anything extraterrtrial, there was NOTHING going on in 1947 that was so top secret that it would be still classified today. If people look at the little things like that, it will reveal to them that the government's story is bull. When you look at the mortician's testimony. He said the Roswell Army based called the Ballard Funeral Home in Roswell asking if they had baby sized caskets that could be hermetically sealed. Why would the army need caskets for dummies? Also if you want something hermetically sealed, you usually want to preserve something.

In regards to NASA's response to Edgar Mitchell's claim, even some truth shines through in their lies. NASA said he is a great American but they didnt track UFOs and were not a part of a cover-up. Of course they are a part of the cover-up and im sure NORAD is reponsible for tracking them, but notice one thing they never said. They didnt say UFOs werent real or that extraterretrials have not been visiting earth.

[gsoboi]

Here is a follow up Edgar Mitchell interview

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ALSO Is there something weird going on with the Denver Intl Airport? check this website out.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver_Airport.html

There is alot of Nazi stuff and references to the book of Revelation in some of the Murals in the Airport. The strange mural also shows a burning city and a little girl holding a Mayan tablet that speaks of the destruction of civilization. There seems to be symbolism of the NEW WORLD ORDER in the mural with a German boy with the iron fist depicted. The boy with the iron fist is mentioned in the book of Revelation. The mural also shows a military hat and gas mask on the ground.

On the right side of this portion of the mural you have what looks like the shell of a destroyed church. On the left you have a line of weeping women holding limp, dead babies that stretches off into the horizon. Next to that are children sleeping on a pile of bricks.


The little German boy with the iron fist has bio-hazzard symbols on his collar.


n the right lower corner (you can just barely see it in the photo) is a piece of paper on which is part of an actual poem written by a child who was interned and died in a Nazi concentration camp


The mural has images of a Jewish girl with the star of David, a black girl and a Native American girl in a casket. There is even an image a person which looks like Jesus.

Notice how the runway layout is shaped! There is a fenced in area at the airport that has barbed wire going inwards as though it was designed to keep people from getting out just like its a large holding pen. Supposedly there is a secret base under this airport and there could a connection with UFOs. Interestingly enough, there are also Masonic symbols throughout the airport








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[goldengrain]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

gsoboi wrote:

. I don't believe that a secretive group of individuals would be capable of hiding information of this importance from the public for a long period of time. Also it would have to involve a very large number of individuals because our space program is a very sophisticated industry that has a multitude of experts in all sorts of matters and even lower ranking technical people would certainly be exposed to these secrets due to the nature of their jobs. The bottom line for me is that there aren't any coverups regarding aliens because human beings are incapable of a coverup of this magnitude.

I still don't know who killed the Kennedys and Dr.King.
Those must have entailed a lot of individuals.
Most of our population do not believe the government's coverup story or the biased Warren Commission report. I don't think we will ever know why this happened and who did it. We know that the President's motorcade path was rerouted through an area which was much less 'securable' than the original. This was done by the Secret Service. The suggestion, I believe, came from the CIA. It was questioned why the CIA involved itself in the motorcade route. No answer was given, so there was no explanation for this. We know Kennedy wanted to disband the CIA.

I think it's possible to keep secrets with enough perks and threats, especially if you prove that you will not hesitate to make good on the threats. It also may be possible to cloud memories. I don't know. There were a lot of experiments that dealt with drugs and electro shock that the government did, some on regular citizens who were not told completely what their 'treatment' would be.

I think our government has done many things behind the backs of the public. It is just my opinion, but I think wiretapping has been done for a very long time. It is just now, with the war, they were trying to see if they could make it a common and publicly accepted practice.

Carrot and the stick. Most people, if you promise them rewards for a behavior and punishment for misbehavior, will do the behavior. You would make it easier on their conscience by fictionalizing that they are participating in some scheme to save democracy or the world, that they are doing some valiant thing for God. country, humanity, civilization.

It's like - we are told that you cannot be hypnotized to do something that is against your will. This is true. But, in the hypnotic suggestion if you are told your neighbor will kill your wife the next time he visits and you are the only one who can protect her, he'd best be careful when he next rings your doorbell.

[MontanaGuy]

gsoboi wrote:

But another reason why its been so easy to handle info that leaked out is the fact that the idea of extraterrstrials coming to earth is so unbelievable that people ignore any kind of facts that leak out. Our minds automatically tell us its a hoax before we even investigate what it could be or it cant be real because there is no physical proof.

But what really leaks out? It's always just some story without anything to back it up. Consider a real coverup that we know was a coverup, the Watergate scandal. Nixon's world started to unravel because actual verifiable facts emerged that could not be disputed. Now that is real evidence that started a chain of events leading to the end of the Nixon Presidency. This is completely different than what is happening with the supposed coverup of aliens. If someone made physical evidence public which was irrefutable that our government did indeed have knowledge of aliens visiting the earth it would start a snowball effect and the conspiracy and coverup would quickly fall apart. No one has ever provided even the slightest bit of credible evidence so it appears to me it's because there isn't any and our government doesn't have the slightest idea whether aliens exist or not.

[MontanaGuy]

goldengrain wrote:

I still don't know who killed the Kennedys and Dr.King.

Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan and James Earl Ray.
The most intriguing of the three has always been President Kennedy's assasination because there seem to be so many loose ends but a very good documentary demonstrated that a single individual would be capable of doing it because they had a marksman replicate the incident with the same kind of gun, etc. as well as explaining how the seating and the positions of the individuals in the front and back seats of the limosene could have suffered the injuries they sustained with just two bullets.
I don't really know of any legitimate claim of conspiracy by our government regarding alien activity on our planet.

[travelmate38]

Bingo!

The list keeps growing and growing. You will soon believe as you will have no choice.

Astronaut Claims Alien Cover-Up - AOL News

July 25) - Former NASA astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell told a British radio host this week that governments have been covering up contact with aliens for more than six decades, The Daily Telegraph reported.The 77-year-old veteran of the Apollo 14 mission said, "I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we’ve been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real."


"It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so," he said, "but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it."
Mitchell claimed the infamous 1947 incident in Roswell, N.M., where several people saw an alien spacecraft crash, did in fact happen. The military has said the so-called spacecraft was actually a weather balloon.
NASA quickly downplayed Mitchell’s comments. "Dr. Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue," a statement from the space agency read. "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe."


Do you believe that life exists elsewhere in the universe?
Yes93% No7%

Do you think Earth has been visited by aliens?
Yes81% No19%

The time is VERY near. It's going to get interesting. God be with you all.........

[gsoboi]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

gsoboi wrote:

But what really leaks out? It's always just some story without anything to back it up. Consider a real coverup that we know was a coverup, the Watergate scandal. Nixon's world started to unravel because actual verifiable facts emerged that could not be disputed. Now that is real evidence that started a chain of events leading to the end of the Nixon Presidency. This is completely different than what is happening with the supposed coverup of aliens. If someone made physical evidence public which was irrefutable that our government did indeed have knowledge of aliens visiting the earth it would start a snowball effect and the conspiracy and coverup would quickly fall apart. No one has ever provided even the slightest bit of credible evidence so it appears to me it's because there isn't any and our government doesn't have the slightest idea whether aliens exist or not.

There has been physical evidence to a degree. Place where police said they saw a UFO land had traces of radiation. There have been collected metal fragments from crashes that have been analyzed and has said to have unusual proporties that are only found in outerspace.